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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8497264" data-attributes="member: 7032025"><p>Then don't make any false claim about their content, like saying that they required you to optimise, or even suggested it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, yeah, right. It's funny however how all these people coming to forums with incredibly high stats always sort of apologise by saying "but I rolled them, I was very lucky", whereas I don't think I've EVER seen someone come with under-average stat because he rolled them (I'm speaking 5e here, we had a lot of under-average rolled stat characters in AD&D).</p><p></p><p>And while there certainly was powergaming in early editions, again, as there was so little to optimise with (rolled stats, no feats, no skills, almost no class powers, etc.), it usually came from items. Optimising really took off with 3e, with all the above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not at all, I'm not looking down my nose at anyone, I'm just asking people to remember that the game never, ever required you to optimise to play it whereas every single edition of the game actually told you that rules are not that important, and that fun is way more important. And it's funny how you cut out that part of the post.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is a good thing, go and read them again and you will see that you lied about their contents.</p><p><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/no-more-humans-in-funny-hats-racial-mechanics-should-determine-racial-cultures.682105/" target="_blank">https://www.enworld.org/threads/no-more-humans-in-funny-hats-racial-mechanics-should-determine-racial-cultures.682105/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good for you. However, it's been one of the many "interesting" arguments of Tasha that people could now explore combinations that were not playable before...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, learn to read. There is a clear perspective about the design intent of the game. Does it prevent the game from being played any other way ? Certainly not. Do I tell anyone that it's bad to play it another way ? Certainly not. What I'm only reminding people is that, on the other hand, optimising is not recommended or even hinted at in the game as designed, and that therefore expecting, as a baseline, people to optimise or being considered inferior or worse players for not doing it is NOT OK.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then please show it in the conversations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8497264, member: 7032025"] Then don't make any false claim about their content, like saying that they required you to optimise, or even suggested it. Yeah, yeah, right. It's funny however how all these people coming to forums with incredibly high stats always sort of apologise by saying "but I rolled them, I was very lucky", whereas I don't think I've EVER seen someone come with under-average stat because he rolled them (I'm speaking 5e here, we had a lot of under-average rolled stat characters in AD&D). And while there certainly was powergaming in early editions, again, as there was so little to optimise with (rolled stats, no feats, no skills, almost no class powers, etc.), it usually came from items. Optimising really took off with 3e, with all the above. Not at all, I'm not looking down my nose at anyone, I'm just asking people to remember that the game never, ever required you to optimise to play it whereas every single edition of the game actually told you that rules are not that important, and that fun is way more important. And it's funny how you cut out that part of the post. Which is a good thing, go and read them again and you will see that you lied about their contents. [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/no-more-humans-in-funny-hats-racial-mechanics-should-determine-racial-cultures.682105/'][/URL] Good for you. However, it's been one of the many "interesting" arguments of Tasha that people could now explore combinations that were not playable before... Again, learn to read. There is a clear perspective about the design intent of the game. Does it prevent the game from being played any other way ? Certainly not. Do I tell anyone that it's bad to play it another way ? Certainly not. What I'm only reminding people is that, on the other hand, optimising is not recommended or even hinted at in the game as designed, and that therefore expecting, as a baseline, people to optimise or being considered inferior or worse players for not doing it is NOT OK. Then please show it in the conversations. [/QUOTE]
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