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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8497869" data-attributes="member: 7032025">And you call this optimising ? They are not making it any sort of requirement, just telling you how not to make an ineffective character. Where does it tell you to make the best possible one using the stat ? Nowhere.Wrong. Please show where it says that you have to pick a race that gives you a bonus. I'll be waiting, especially since there are counter example for almost every class described, see below.Wrong again, I just look at the examples at the start of each class:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gnome Bard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Elf Cleric</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Elf or half-elf druid</li> </ul>The examples showing you are wrong are all over the place.So this means that all players have to be optimisers, yeah, sure... But does it recommend the approach ? Certainly not.Actually, the examples only show that the game is meant to be inclusive, which is all I'm asking for, and that means not looking down your nose at people who do not optimise. Now, does the game even recommend that approach ? No, it tells you how to specifically cater for them, because they will be encountered. and you need to know how to deal with them.Easy, I've given you the quote multiple times now, just read the introduction to the PH, where reading all the rules (which I think you need to optimise) is not required to get what's best in the game.No, I'm saying that people can be very creative about their dice rolling, rolling multiple times, etc.I would really like to see the sheets. Because having a low stat does not mean that one does not have stratospheric ones in other stats. So just publish the sheets.See above, I'm speaking about the whole stat array, not just the one dumped stat.Yeah, right. I'm still waiting for people to show their actual sheets.Yes, I'm looking down at people who purposefully misquote me, sue me. I never said anything like the above, I've just quoted the PH to you, and the fact that you did not recognise it (despite me indicating this multiple times) shows that you might want to read it again, it's just in the introduction.Also, you are awfully defensive about all that.And again, where did I say that it was the wrong sort of fun ? What I don't want, however, is the reverse, people being looked at as inferior because their characters are technically inferior.And this is where, again, I ask you to simply read what I write and stop misquoting me, this is getting tiresomel.Well, it's up to you, but because their intention permeates the whole design and allows one to understand it better and make it more effective, I think it's a good thing to understand it as well.Contrary to you, I always support my assertion with facts, and real one. For example your assertion that "If you want to play a class, you should look at the associated stat, pick a race that gets a bonus to that stat" is easily disproven as on the contrary, the rules show examples of characters that do not follow it.Again, this is just misquoting. Please show me one example where I said this. Prove your claims, for once.Again, if you think that the rules are recommending optimising, prove it. Please show me where it says that optimising is good for the game, that it's the intent, etc. Otherwise, the only thing that can be said is that the game does not recommend it (whereas it clearly tells you that rules are not important and that reading them all is not necessary to get the best out of the game). It's a simple fact.</blockquote>

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