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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9531469" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>I fully backed &ran level up for about a year I guess it was. In a lot of ways I liked it <em>better</em> than 5e, but the amount of spreadsheets played by shameless minimizers masquerading as complex individuals wielding tired roleplay vrs rollplay arguments to get the benefits of that spreadsheet in any given situation while ignoring the downsides was unreal and led to me burning out on running it.</p><p></p><p>With new systems coming out like dc20 draw steel and <em>maybe</em>∆ dagger heart I think that it's imperative for wotc to swallow the bitter pill and put out some unearthed arcana/phb2/combat& tactics type books that put supporting GMs as their primary goal over providing players with cool new power creep toys.</p><p></p><p>I'd almost consider tossing in time of battle book of 9swords in there too but we just saw that with the 2024phb and I think that it pretty much doubled down on too much of 2014 for that to be a credible option</p><p></p><p>∆havent really been trying to follow it too closely</p><p></p><p>Me too and I'm sick of needing to fight that kind of fight with players who want to double dip while being told that it's a skill issue where the gm should say no and that if the gm says no they should be raked over the coals for saying no too often instead of being creative when met with the oh so deeply skilled "I reach out to my contracts".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9531469, member: 93670"] I fully backed &ran level up for about a year I guess it was. In a lot of ways I liked it [I]better[/I] than 5e, but the amount of spreadsheets played by shameless minimizers masquerading as complex individuals wielding tired roleplay vrs rollplay arguments to get the benefits of that spreadsheet in any given situation while ignoring the downsides was unreal and led to me burning out on running it. With new systems coming out like dc20 draw steel and [I]maybe[/I]∆ dagger heart I think that it's imperative for wotc to swallow the bitter pill and put out some unearthed arcana/phb2/combat& tactics type books that put supporting GMs as their primary goal over providing players with cool new power creep toys. I'd almost consider tossing in time of battle book of 9swords in there too but we just saw that with the 2024phb and I think that it pretty much doubled down on too much of 2014 for that to be a credible option ∆havent really been trying to follow it too closely Me too and I'm sick of needing to fight that kind of fight with players who want to double dip while being told that it's a skill issue where the gm should say no and that if the gm says no they should be raked over the coals for saying no too often instead of being creative when met with the oh so deeply skilled "I reach out to my contracts". [/QUOTE]
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