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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9061106" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You are essentially arguing, completely seriously, that if I gave fighter's the ability to make two, non-action, non-bonus action free AOE attacks that ignore non-magical resistance that those are completely different from normal action attacks that are single target and effected by resistance, and therefore cannot be considered against each other in balance. Yes Max, having two abilities that do similar things, but one is cheaper in action economy, less counterable, and does more damage does make those two things different. The difference is one of those two things is unbalanced and has a much higher power budget. Stop using the things that made Divine Smite out of alignment with the Smite spells to try and argue that they shouldn't be balanced against each other.I'll tell you when we get a 2024 paladin and not a playtest attempting to fix their mistakes from 2014.Wrong. There was a lot wrong with it. The Smite spells took an action that Divine Smite didn't. They were affected by counterspell, silence, and anti-magic. And they did less damage. They were so much weaker than Divine Smite that they were essentially never used by the majority of tables."These two things were unbalanced, therefore they should not be balanced." This is a pointless position to take, because you are agreeing with my points, yet denying they mean anything.Not an attack against you, an acknowledgement of all the times we've had this dance.</blockquote>

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