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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9064656" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>And any "worships and understands nature" class that attempted to tell me that fungus and decomposers are unnatural and evil gets an immediate VETO from me. Heck, zombie fungus is a real-life part of nature. It is a perfectly natural and neutral part of life. Dangerous and Creepy? Yes. But not "negative" unless you find carnivore's red in tooth and claw negative too. </p><p></p><p>This reminds me of the stupid Ettercap lore that says they were cursed by the Gods of Nature because they were druids, who in spider form, engaged in cannibalism, exactly like real-life spiders. And that made them "evil". Do you know how many real-life plants and animals engage in cannibalism? Nature doesn't find that evil, because it IS natural for those animals.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But it DOES play into alignment. You can't say "this is the magic of darkness and demons, it is a black and fell magic, it is entirely neutral" because in DnD Fiends aren't neutral, they are completely and fully evil. Now, you and me might come to an agreement that that is a rather boring cosmology, but it doesn't change the presentation within DnD. </p><p></p><p>Take Enchantment, me and you agree that it goes into some dangerous and taboo territory, though it has good uses. DnD does not comment on the morality of Enchantment. DnD does say that Necromancy is evil, and I have had multiple, extended conversations about how it is possible to use necromancy for good, that have smashed themselves to bits upon the wall of "It is evil magic, by RAW, so everyone who uses it is evil or neutral and stupid at best" </p><p></p><p>The moment you start associating magic with the good guys and the bad guys, you are opening that door and spiking it open. Necromancy as the magic of decay, death, and souls? I'm all for it. Necromancy as the black (ie evil) magic of fiends and aberrations? No. That is far too much morality being put into a tool.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, but now we are shifting back into what I was saying. So, I guess this is a different question. Do you accept that DnD says that Fiends and Aberrations are evil? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've got a meeting to get to, so I'll deal with the second half in a bit</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9064656, member: 6801228"] And any "worships and understands nature" class that attempted to tell me that fungus and decomposers are unnatural and evil gets an immediate VETO from me. Heck, zombie fungus is a real-life part of nature. It is a perfectly natural and neutral part of life. Dangerous and Creepy? Yes. But not "negative" unless you find carnivore's red in tooth and claw negative too. This reminds me of the stupid Ettercap lore that says they were cursed by the Gods of Nature because they were druids, who in spider form, engaged in cannibalism, exactly like real-life spiders. And that made them "evil". Do you know how many real-life plants and animals engage in cannibalism? Nature doesn't find that evil, because it IS natural for those animals. But it DOES play into alignment. You can't say "this is the magic of darkness and demons, it is a black and fell magic, it is entirely neutral" because in DnD Fiends aren't neutral, they are completely and fully evil. Now, you and me might come to an agreement that that is a rather boring cosmology, but it doesn't change the presentation within DnD. Take Enchantment, me and you agree that it goes into some dangerous and taboo territory, though it has good uses. DnD does not comment on the morality of Enchantment. DnD does say that Necromancy is evil, and I have had multiple, extended conversations about how it is possible to use necromancy for good, that have smashed themselves to bits upon the wall of "It is evil magic, by RAW, so everyone who uses it is evil or neutral and stupid at best" The moment you start associating magic with the good guys and the bad guys, you are opening that door and spiking it open. Necromancy as the magic of decay, death, and souls? I'm all for it. Necromancy as the black (ie evil) magic of fiends and aberrations? No. That is far too much morality being put into a tool. Okay, but now we are shifting back into what I was saying. So, I guess this is a different question. Do you accept that DnD says that Fiends and Aberrations are evil? I've got a meeting to get to, so I'll deal with the second half in a bit [/QUOTE]
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