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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9065675" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>If "necromancy" meant "death" it would be perfect for the opposite of "abjuration". Offense versus defense.</p><p></p><p>But necromancy means "corpse", which is something different.</p><p></p><p></p><p>To be fair, the school names are opaque. For example, someone wouldnt necessarily know that "Enchantment" means "mind magic". And why does "Evocation" mean "elemental energies"? And the literal meaning of "Abjuration" means to make a solemn oath that one renounces and disowns something − what does this have to do with "protective magic"?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the context of the reallife history of D&D cosmology, it helps to understand that the Shadowfell and the Feywild are illusory worlds, ultimately deriving from the 1e illusory Plane of Shadow.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, sometimes clarification helps much.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The astral realm includes logic and emotion. Celestial love and Fiend malice are often emotional.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dreams are explicitly Astral. That said, a Feywild Domain might behave in dreamlike ways, if the mind that shapes it is dreaming or dreamlike.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I consider nightmares the same thing as dreams. In a shared dreamscape, nightmares might be a region.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The cosmology map depicts the Ethereal Plane encompassing and overlapping Fey, Shadow, and Matter. Importantly, Fey and Shadow overlap the material plane. For example, one can see actual locations in the Material Plane. From the perspective of the Fey Positivity it appears heightened. From the perspective of the Shadow Negativity it appears gloomy.</p><p></p><p>The 5e Elemental Planes are weird. They exist between the ether and aster. By implication, they might not be matter, but rather the "forms" of matter. But lately, I consider them to be "exclaves" of the Material Plane. They are matter, but have no connection to the Material Plane. Relatedly, despite the use of the term "Planes", the descriptions and depictions of the Elemental Planes are more like "regions" within the Elemental Chaos, where a particular state of matter starts to aggregate. (I would prefer to call it the Elemental Flux to avoid alignment implications.) These Elemental regions actually intermingle with each other freely.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Heh, your use of the "Prime" Material Plane is dating you.</p><p></p><p>It depends on the setting. Some settings might be other planets, far far away. So despite the fact that same Ethereal Plane overlaps both planets, they would be unable to visit each other.</p><p></p><p>However, the setting is an "alternate reality" of the same planet, that would be more like parallel timelines, and involving lateral time travel. The same ether would be present in both, but "alternate" versions of it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Ethereal Plane includes a "Border Ether" that is actually part of the Material Plane. Compare how gravity is part of the Material Plane. There is also a "Deep Ether" that has little or no connection to the Material Plane. There are gradations between. As one planeshifts from the Border Ether deeper and deeper into the Deep Ether, the view of the Material Plane increasingly distorts until vanishing altogether. The Border Ether entangles matter. The Deep Ether is more responsive to the influences of a mind.</p><p></p><p>A Ghost is made out of immaterial shadow, in other words, Negative ether. To get to the Material Plane to haunt it, it planeshifts to the Border Ether that overlaps the Material Plane. In locales where the "veil is thin" sotospeak where the Negative influence is stronger, the planeshifting occurs naturally, and the Ghost translates effortlessly into the Material Plane.</p><p></p><p>Similarly a Fey creature can shift from the Positive Feywild into the Border Ether of the Material Plane.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The actual answer is "tradition" − that is how earlier editions of D&D did it that didnt have a 5e Shadowfell yet.</p><p></p><p>Nevertheless, the "Ether" is a mixture of Positive Fey and Negative Shadow. So one can encounter both Shadow spirits and Fey spirits within the Border Ether. That said, the Material Plane tends to have specific locations that are Positive Matter or Negative Matter, where the corresponding ether is more likely. (Compare Darksun that emphasizes this aspect of the cosmology.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>If I recall correctly, according to Radiant Citadel, one is likely to encounter Fey and Shadow within the Ether.</p><p></p><p>Elemental is weird. Suppose an Elemental wants to planeshift into the Material Plane. Presumbably, the Elemental shifts thru the Ethereal Plane, becoming ethereal then rematerializing in the Material Plane. The map location of the Elemental Planes creates odd scenarios. In any case, there is no direct connection between the 5e Elemental Planes and the 5e Material Plane.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Often the D&D default setting supplies all of the information, but scatters it here and there, and doesnt put it all together to help the reader understand how it all fits together.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There is a difference between finding and piecing together what the official rules actually do say.</p><p></p><p>Versus.</p><p></p><p>Disregarding the default setting and creating a new setting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9065675, member: 58172"] If "necromancy" meant "death" it would be perfect for the opposite of "abjuration". Offense versus defense. But necromancy means "corpse", which is something different. To be fair, the school names are opaque. For example, someone wouldnt necessarily know that "Enchantment" means "mind magic". And why does "Evocation" mean "elemental energies"? And the literal meaning of "Abjuration" means to make a solemn oath that one renounces and disowns something − what does this have to do with "protective magic"? In the context of the reallife history of D&D cosmology, it helps to understand that the Shadowfell and the Feywild are illusory worlds, ultimately deriving from the 1e illusory Plane of Shadow. Yes. Yeah, sometimes clarification helps much. The astral realm includes logic and emotion. Celestial love and Fiend malice are often emotional. Dreams are explicitly Astral. That said, a Feywild Domain might behave in dreamlike ways, if the mind that shapes it is dreaming or dreamlike. I consider nightmares the same thing as dreams. In a shared dreamscape, nightmares might be a region. The cosmology map depicts the Ethereal Plane encompassing and overlapping Fey, Shadow, and Matter. Importantly, Fey and Shadow overlap the material plane. For example, one can see actual locations in the Material Plane. From the perspective of the Fey Positivity it appears heightened. From the perspective of the Shadow Negativity it appears gloomy. The 5e Elemental Planes are weird. They exist between the ether and aster. By implication, they might not be matter, but rather the "forms" of matter. But lately, I consider them to be "exclaves" of the Material Plane. They are matter, but have no connection to the Material Plane. Relatedly, despite the use of the term "Planes", the descriptions and depictions of the Elemental Planes are more like "regions" within the Elemental Chaos, where a particular state of matter starts to aggregate. (I would prefer to call it the Elemental Flux to avoid alignment implications.) These Elemental regions actually intermingle with each other freely. Heh, your use of the "Prime" Material Plane is dating you. It depends on the setting. Some settings might be other planets, far far away. So despite the fact that same Ethereal Plane overlaps both planets, they would be unable to visit each other. However, the setting is an "alternate reality" of the same planet, that would be more like parallel timelines, and involving lateral time travel. The same ether would be present in both, but "alternate" versions of it. The Ethereal Plane includes a "Border Ether" that is actually part of the Material Plane. Compare how gravity is part of the Material Plane. There is also a "Deep Ether" that has little or no connection to the Material Plane. There are gradations between. As one planeshifts from the Border Ether deeper and deeper into the Deep Ether, the view of the Material Plane increasingly distorts until vanishing altogether. The Border Ether entangles matter. The Deep Ether is more responsive to the influences of a mind. A Ghost is made out of immaterial shadow, in other words, Negative ether. To get to the Material Plane to haunt it, it planeshifts to the Border Ether that overlaps the Material Plane. In locales where the "veil is thin" sotospeak where the Negative influence is stronger, the planeshifting occurs naturally, and the Ghost translates effortlessly into the Material Plane. Similarly a Fey creature can shift from the Positive Feywild into the Border Ether of the Material Plane. The actual answer is "tradition" − that is how earlier editions of D&D did it that didnt have a 5e Shadowfell yet. Nevertheless, the "Ether" is a mixture of Positive Fey and Negative Shadow. So one can encounter both Shadow spirits and Fey spirits within the Border Ether. That said, the Material Plane tends to have specific locations that are Positive Matter or Negative Matter, where the corresponding ether is more likely. (Compare Darksun that emphasizes this aspect of the cosmology.) If I recall correctly, according to Radiant Citadel, one is likely to encounter Fey and Shadow within the Ether. Elemental is weird. Suppose an Elemental wants to planeshift into the Material Plane. Presumbably, the Elemental shifts thru the Ethereal Plane, becoming ethereal then rematerializing in the Material Plane. The map location of the Elemental Planes creates odd scenarios. In any case, there is no direct connection between the 5e Elemental Planes and the 5e Material Plane. Often the D&D default setting supplies all of the information, but scatters it here and there, and doesnt put it all together to help the reader understand how it all fits together. There is a difference between finding and piecing together what the official rules actually do say. Versus. Disregarding the default setting and creating a new setting. [/QUOTE]
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