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<blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 9253464" data-attributes="member: 27957">Yeah, they're not all winners yet, but definitely some improvement. Here's a couple of subclass specific interactions I've seen come up.The GOO Patron gives you free Subtle Spell for &quot;a Warlock spell that is an Enchantment or Illusion&quot;. Does that include invocations? Well... maybe yes. It says &quot;Warlock spell&quot; not &quot;with a Warlock spell slot&quot;. And the invocations don't say you're activating an ability that's like the spell, they say &quot;You can cast [Spell Name] without expending a spell slot.&quot; So is the Silent Image from the Misty Visions invocation a Warlock spell? I think it is. And that makes it a very nice pick up for a GOO Warlock.Celestial Patron's Radiant Soul adds you Cha modifier to your Radiant or Fire damage spells. Too bad that's not much help to a Bladelock. Or is it? Green-Flame Blade is a Warlock spell that deals Fire damage. And the revised Agonizing Blast isn't locked to Eldritch Blast, it can select any Warlock cantrip. So a Celestial Bladelock could build around Green-Flame Blade and Agonizing Blast instead of Thirsting Blade, and be adding triple their Cha modifier to their attack. I'm not the best math sim guy, but as best I can tell until 11th Level that build holds even with Thirsting Blade on one target and is well ahead on two. Especially if you go for a heavy weapon with the Cleave mastery trait. At 11th Level, Thirsting Blade gets a third attack and pulls ahead, especially if you've got a weapon that adds damage dice. But as we often discuss, many campaigns don't get that high, and it's always possible to just pick up Thirsting Blade as your 11th Level invocation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kurotowa, post: 9253464, member: 27957"] Yeah, they're not all winners yet, but definitely some improvement. Here's a couple of subclass specific interactions I've seen come up. The GOO Patron gives you free Subtle Spell for "a Warlock spell that is an Enchantment or Illusion". Does that include invocations? Well... maybe yes. It says "Warlock spell" not "with a Warlock spell slot". And the invocations don't say you're activating an ability that's [I]like[/I] the spell, they say "You can cast [Spell Name] without expending a spell slot." So is the Silent Image from the Misty Visions invocation a Warlock spell? I think it is. And that makes it a very nice pick up for a GOO Warlock. Celestial Patron's Radiant Soul adds you Cha modifier to your Radiant or Fire damage spells. Too bad that's not much help to a Bladelock. Or is it? Green-Flame Blade is a Warlock spell that deals Fire damage. And the revised Agonizing Blast isn't locked to Eldritch Blast, it can select any Warlock cantrip. So a Celestial Bladelock could build around Green-Flame Blade and Agonizing Blast instead of Thirsting Blade, and be adding triple their Cha modifier to their attack. I'm not the best math sim guy, but as best I can tell until 11th Level that build holds even with Thirsting Blade on one target and is well ahead on two. Especially if you go for a heavy weapon with the Cleave mastery trait. At 11th Level, Thirsting Blade gets a third attack and pulls ahead, especially if you've got a weapon that adds damage dice. But as we often discuss, many campaigns don't get that high, and it's always possible to just pick up Thirsting Blade as your 11th Level invocation. [/QUOTE]

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