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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9211583" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>No, we do not have specific rules for quiet spellcasting. We have specific rules for SILENT and STILL spellcasting. Which I hope I don't have to explain is different than being quiet. </p><p></p><p>Also, no, you didn't fully demonstrate that. You assumed that counterspelling a verbal only spell would require that you hear the spell, but that is not how counterspell works. You need to see the creature you are counterspelling. If you have a creature who is invisible and casts a spell, even if it is verbal only, you cannot counterspell it. Because specifically Counterspell states it must be a creature you can see.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of them. Rules don't have to be sentences. 16-10 = 6/2 = +3 is a rule as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh joy, we are going to keep playing this game. Okay, tell me how I run a 100% RAW game with elements that are not RAW, since I'm such a terrible person.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right here in the quote I was quoting: "I still use the vast majority of PHB rules". Vast Majority, even if it means 80% of them, means that there are many rules you are not using.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>RAW is "Rules as Written". Not Default rules. Not The Default rules. Not only the rules that are default that you don't opt out ot. </p><p></p><p>RULES </p><p>AS </p><p>WRITTEN</p><p></p><p>Sure, expansion content isn't the default, non-expansion content. But that doesn't mean that they are not the rules of the game, as the rules of the game are written. You keep using the term RAW to mean things that are not what RAW means. </p><p></p><p>Optional rules still have RAW and Homebrew versions. Optional rules still have RAW and RAI interpretations. Stop misusing the word.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you seriously asking how a rules expansion expands the game, if you don't buy it? This isn't philosophy where we need to determine if a tree falls in a forest. Before the expansion existed, there was no rules expansion, whether or not you purchase the expansion doesn't change the fact that after being published it exists. This is like trying to claim that since I don't own Dragonlance the Dragonlance setting was never published. It is nonsense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The difference between and opt in rule and an opt out rule, is when you are punished for breaking it. If you have to opt out of a contract, and fail to do so, then you are bound by that contract. DnD doesn't work that way. There is no practical difference in DnD in whether or you previously opted in or opted out of a rule. You could opt in, and then change your mind, and nothing happens.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are just flat speaking nonsense. You want the PHB to acknowledge books that didn't exist when it was published? Monster Statblocks are rule elements, just like Class Tables or the equipment list.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9211583, member: 6801228"] No, we do not have specific rules for quiet spellcasting. We have specific rules for SILENT and STILL spellcasting. Which I hope I don't have to explain is different than being quiet. Also, no, you didn't fully demonstrate that. You assumed that counterspelling a verbal only spell would require that you hear the spell, but that is not how counterspell works. You need to see the creature you are counterspelling. If you have a creature who is invisible and casts a spell, even if it is verbal only, you cannot counterspell it. Because specifically Counterspell states it must be a creature you can see. All of them. Rules don't have to be sentences. 16-10 = 6/2 = +3 is a rule as well. Oh joy, we are going to keep playing this game. Okay, tell me how I run a 100% RAW game with elements that are not RAW, since I'm such a terrible person. Right here in the quote I was quoting: "I still use the vast majority of PHB rules". Vast Majority, even if it means 80% of them, means that there are many rules you are not using. RAW is "Rules as Written". Not Default rules. Not The Default rules. Not only the rules that are default that you don't opt out ot. RULES AS WRITTEN Sure, expansion content isn't the default, non-expansion content. But that doesn't mean that they are not the rules of the game, as the rules of the game are written. You keep using the term RAW to mean things that are not what RAW means. Optional rules still have RAW and Homebrew versions. Optional rules still have RAW and RAI interpretations. Stop misusing the word. Are you seriously asking how a rules expansion expands the game, if you don't buy it? This isn't philosophy where we need to determine if a tree falls in a forest. Before the expansion existed, there was no rules expansion, whether or not you purchase the expansion doesn't change the fact that after being published it exists. This is like trying to claim that since I don't own Dragonlance the Dragonlance setting was never published. It is nonsense. The difference between and opt in rule and an opt out rule, is when you are punished for breaking it. If you have to opt out of a contract, and fail to do so, then you are bound by that contract. DnD doesn't work that way. There is no practical difference in DnD in whether or you previously opted in or opted out of a rule. You could opt in, and then change your mind, and nothing happens. You are just flat speaking nonsense. You want the PHB to acknowledge books that didn't exist when it was published? Monster Statblocks are rule elements, just like Class Tables or the equipment list. [/QUOTE]
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