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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9212841" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Because it is a simple binary. You either agree that talking and not talking are different things, or you do not. From your reaction you see to have taken the position that talking is the same as not talking. Which I find to be a rather indefensible position, but we have now made your stance clear. </p><p></p><p>If I hadn't done what I did, you'd just still be making ad hominem attacks, and nothing would be getting accomplished.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is because psionic sorcery is a specific that beats a general. </p><p></p><p>Knowledge of spellcasting is assumed. Otherwise, how do you tell that a bard singing while swinging their sword is casting or not? Bardic magic is music, and sword Bards can cast through weapons. Would a wizard who has never held a sword be able to tell a normal sword dance from a magical one? Doesn't matter, the assumed answer of Counterspell is yes. </p><p></p><p>And counterspell does not state "a creature you can see or hear" which many spells do. It states you must see them. Deaf wizards can counterspell. This is a fact. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And yet IRL logic fails against the facts of magic. The sound of my insult can kill someone? That doesn't make sense in a myriad of ways. Someone who doesn't know what a bec de Corbin is can identify a magical dance with the weapon compared to a non-magical performance? Doesn't make sense. </p><p></p><p>But these things are true, and therfore our only recourse is to assume there is a factor of magic we do not understand, coming from a non-magical world. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Im afb at the moment, but I am certain there are more than 10 pages.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The DMG and the MM are not splatbooks. They are Core Rule Books. </p><p></p><p>You are wrong that the MM does not contain rules. </p><p></p><p>It doesn't really matter, since I'm not arguing anything based on the MM or DMG at the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9212841, member: 6801228"] Because it is a simple binary. You either agree that talking and not talking are different things, or you do not. From your reaction you see to have taken the position that talking is the same as not talking. Which I find to be a rather indefensible position, but we have now made your stance clear. If I hadn't done what I did, you'd just still be making ad hominem attacks, and nothing would be getting accomplished. That is because psionic sorcery is a specific that beats a general. Knowledge of spellcasting is assumed. Otherwise, how do you tell that a bard singing while swinging their sword is casting or not? Bardic magic is music, and sword Bards can cast through weapons. Would a wizard who has never held a sword be able to tell a normal sword dance from a magical one? Doesn't matter, the assumed answer of Counterspell is yes. And counterspell does not state "a creature you can see or hear" which many spells do. It states you must see them. Deaf wizards can counterspell. This is a fact. And yet IRL logic fails against the facts of magic. The sound of my insult can kill someone? That doesn't make sense in a myriad of ways. Someone who doesn't know what a bec de Corbin is can identify a magical dance with the weapon compared to a non-magical performance? Doesn't make sense. But these things are true, and therfore our only recourse is to assume there is a factor of magic we do not understand, coming from a non-magical world. Im afb at the moment, but I am certain there are more than 10 pages. The DMG and the MM are not splatbooks. They are Core Rule Books. You are wrong that the MM does not contain rules. It doesn't really matter, since I'm not arguing anything based on the MM or DMG at the moment. [/QUOTE]
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