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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9213474" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>No, it does not destroy my position that there is something you can do to ATTEMPT to avoid detection and something that AUTOMATICALLY avoids detection. And it is not a False Dichotomy to point out that those two things are different. In fact, it seems to be a point you yourself want to avoid.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Keep telling yourself that Friendo, but carrying over grudges from other conversations doesn't look good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The general that you need to speak to cast.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Interesting. So how can you tell that those are words of creation and not the bard asking for his Granny in Primordial? Are you stating that all casters of Counterspell must have knowledge of the Mystical Words of Creation to Counterspell Bards, or that Counterspell magically gives you that knowledge?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is no explicit rules text that states you need to know the person you are looking at is casting a spell either. Feeblemind had to add specific language that a 1 Int creature couldn't cast spells. If you have an INT of one from any other effect, you could despite being unable to read, speak, or generally recognize objects, still be capable of casting Counterspell to stop a spell. </p><p></p><p>Why? How? I can't explain magic to you, I can only show you that the rules say you can counterspell any creature you can see that casts a spell within 60 ft of you. Regardless of whether or not you are deaf or if you are capable of understanding what magic even is. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And would you expect someone who lived underwater and had never seen or considered Air to understand what flight is, let alone why a motorcycle can't do it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And we've already established we are talking about Rules and RAW, not optional rules. Thank you for telling me how you skewed the data though, before I had to go looking for myself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Burrow Speed</p><p>Tremorsense</p><p>Proficiency Bonus by Challenge Rating</p><p>XP by Challenge Rating</p><p>Recharge X-Y mechanic definition</p><p>Lair Action rules</p><p>Legendary Resistance</p><p>The effects of a Chuul's Tentacle</p><p>Cloaker's Phantasm ability</p><p>Intellect Devourer's Body Thief ability</p><p>Player Characters as Lycanthropes</p><p>Rules for Swarms</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Please explain to me how the text of Counterspell is not a rule.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9213474, member: 6801228"] No, it does not destroy my position that there is something you can do to ATTEMPT to avoid detection and something that AUTOMATICALLY avoids detection. And it is not a False Dichotomy to point out that those two things are different. In fact, it seems to be a point you yourself want to avoid. Keep telling yourself that Friendo, but carrying over grudges from other conversations doesn't look good. The general that you need to speak to cast. Interesting. So how can you tell that those are words of creation and not the bard asking for his Granny in Primordial? Are you stating that all casters of Counterspell must have knowledge of the Mystical Words of Creation to Counterspell Bards, or that Counterspell magically gives you that knowledge? There is no explicit rules text that states you need to know the person you are looking at is casting a spell either. Feeblemind had to add specific language that a 1 Int creature couldn't cast spells. If you have an INT of one from any other effect, you could despite being unable to read, speak, or generally recognize objects, still be capable of casting Counterspell to stop a spell. Why? How? I can't explain magic to you, I can only show you that the rules say you can counterspell any creature you can see that casts a spell within 60 ft of you. Regardless of whether or not you are deaf or if you are capable of understanding what magic even is. And would you expect someone who lived underwater and had never seen or considered Air to understand what flight is, let alone why a motorcycle can't do it? And we've already established we are talking about Rules and RAW, not optional rules. Thank you for telling me how you skewed the data though, before I had to go looking for myself. Burrow Speed Tremorsense Proficiency Bonus by Challenge Rating XP by Challenge Rating Recharge X-Y mechanic definition Lair Action rules Legendary Resistance The effects of a Chuul's Tentacle Cloaker's Phantasm ability Intellect Devourer's Body Thief ability Player Characters as Lycanthropes Rules for Swarms Please explain to me how the text of Counterspell is not a rule. [/QUOTE]
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