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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9214522" data-attributes="member: 23751">There is no proficiency. Mystic words are mystic words.  They're mystic whether you are trained or untrained, a caster or non-caster.  If you like though, you can require the PC to have arcana.  Oh, right, PCs already have all skills whether proficient or not. So pick any skill you can think of and the PC has it and will recognize mystic words.Incorrect. What it means that is even with a 3 int you can recognize mystic words when you hear them.  Nothing about a 3 int by RAW means you can't recognize such words. You have one specific beats general example of a 1 int being unable to do it, but nothing by RAW says even a 1 int acquired another way will prevent the PC from understanding the words.So tell me.  How do you know you are seeing a creature cast the spell if you don't know what the words are?  Something has to tell you so that you can counterspell. Nobody is going to just walk around launching random counterspells without knowing a spell is being cast, which is what you are arguing by saying you don't need to know it's casting a spell.  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤦‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f926-2642.png" title="Man facepalming    :man_facepalming:" data-shortname=":man_facepalming:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />You can make these incorrect claims until you are blue in the face, but until you can show that the DMG is lying, you are wrong.  Can you show the DMG statement to be a lie?They are a suggestion because they are a suggestion.  Can you show the DMG statement to be a lie?Can you show the DMG statement to be a lie?But you do need to know what it is in order to cast, "Destroy Iso-Flux."  If you didn't know what one was, would you cast it every time you saw something you didn't know about?  No, you wouldn't.There's already an optional rule for that and it takes your reaction.  It's also yet ANOTHER strawman to claim I'm saying that they need to ID the spell.OH!!! Since you've successfully argued that splatbooks are RAW, yes your Strawman does work that way by RAW.  By RAW you need to spend your reaction and make a roll in order to ID the spell. See Xanathar's.And yet according to you, someone would be revealed as casting a spell despite doing absolutely nothing to indicate that it is casting a spell.  Absolutely nothing.  Because moving lips do not indicate spellcasting.  That's essentially perfect knowledge.</blockquote>

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