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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8750829" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Because as a youtuber said (don't remember which one) DnD has a bizarre relationship with the word "edition".</p><p></p><p>I own the Savage Worlds "Explorer's Edition" rulebook. I also own the Savage Worlds "Deluxe Edition". I don't own Savage Worlds "Adventurers Edition" but I suspect the same thing is going to remain true. The rules are 95% the exact same. Deluxe has MORE rules, but I can use both books nearly interchangeably. And this is how it is for a LOT of games. First, Second and Ninth edition are all largely the same.</p><p></p><p>DnD is one of the few games where "New Edition" means "all your books are worthless, none of these rules are interchangeable". For most people though? Whether or not you want to "expose" WotC as lying and this being truly a new edition doesn't matter. In terms of DnD editions? This isn't a new edition. Might not even be a half edition. Note that the last few books have been explicitly written using some of these new rules. Backgrounds give 1st level feats isn't something new, it is something we have BEEN discussing with the most recent releases.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That word "all" is doing a whole lot of obfuscating.</p><p></p><p>Of course not ALL of the 2014 PHB is going to be compatible. The 2014 grappling rules aren't compatible with the 2024 Grappling rules. They can't be. The rules are being rewritten. They aren't lying to us, because most of us don't expect them to need to playtest if they aren't going to be changing rules. So, we expect to see rules changed, and if a rule is changed it is not compatible with its pre-change version.</p><p></p><p>This is no different than Tasha's, which wasn't an edition shift.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay? What would you like the errata to say? "We reprinted this in a new book, check this book?"</p><p></p><p>Deep Gnomes were printed in SCAG, Tome of Foes, and Monsters of the Multiverse. I don't think they are really selling SCAG or Tome of Foes anymore, so what do you expect an errata to even accomplish?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Would you really want an errata document that lays out, by page number, every single possible change in language, phrasing, rules, ect from the 2014 PHB to the 2024 PHB? That seems beyond tedious</p><p></p><p>Let's be honest here, there is no reason for them to sell the 2014 PHB after the 2024 PHB comes out. It would lead to market confusion and just a huge mess. And so an errata document would be largely pointless in my mind, because they aren't selling the old book any more.</p><p></p><p>I mean, more power to you to call out wizards and berate them for their innacurate use of terminology, but this seems like making a huge deal out of nothing. No one actually expects the books to be identical. No one actually expects them to provide a document notating every single change they made to every line and statblock of three books. This was announced with a year and a half lead time, people will have plenty of chances to hold off buying an old PHB and waiting for the new one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8750829, member: 6801228"] Because as a youtuber said (don't remember which one) DnD has a bizarre relationship with the word "edition". I own the Savage Worlds "Explorer's Edition" rulebook. I also own the Savage Worlds "Deluxe Edition". I don't own Savage Worlds "Adventurers Edition" but I suspect the same thing is going to remain true. The rules are 95% the exact same. Deluxe has MORE rules, but I can use both books nearly interchangeably. And this is how it is for a LOT of games. First, Second and Ninth edition are all largely the same. DnD is one of the few games where "New Edition" means "all your books are worthless, none of these rules are interchangeable". For most people though? Whether or not you want to "expose" WotC as lying and this being truly a new edition doesn't matter. In terms of DnD editions? This isn't a new edition. Might not even be a half edition. Note that the last few books have been explicitly written using some of these new rules. Backgrounds give 1st level feats isn't something new, it is something we have BEEN discussing with the most recent releases. That word "all" is doing a whole lot of obfuscating. Of course not ALL of the 2014 PHB is going to be compatible. The 2014 grappling rules aren't compatible with the 2024 Grappling rules. They can't be. The rules are being rewritten. They aren't lying to us, because most of us don't expect them to need to playtest if they aren't going to be changing rules. So, we expect to see rules changed, and if a rule is changed it is not compatible with its pre-change version. This is no different than Tasha's, which wasn't an edition shift. Okay? What would you like the errata to say? "We reprinted this in a new book, check this book?" Deep Gnomes were printed in SCAG, Tome of Foes, and Monsters of the Multiverse. I don't think they are really selling SCAG or Tome of Foes anymore, so what do you expect an errata to even accomplish? Would you really want an errata document that lays out, by page number, every single possible change in language, phrasing, rules, ect from the 2014 PHB to the 2024 PHB? That seems beyond tedious Let's be honest here, there is no reason for them to sell the 2014 PHB after the 2024 PHB comes out. It would lead to market confusion and just a huge mess. And so an errata document would be largely pointless in my mind, because they aren't selling the old book any more. I mean, more power to you to call out wizards and berate them for their innacurate use of terminology, but this seems like making a huge deal out of nothing. No one actually expects the books to be identical. No one actually expects them to provide a document notating every single change they made to every line and statblock of three books. This was announced with a year and a half lead time, people will have plenty of chances to hold off buying an old PHB and waiting for the new one. [/QUOTE]
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