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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8751237" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent, but it seems that you and a few others are fully devoted to this idea of trying to catch WoTC "in a lie" and the "prove" that this isn't One D&D but 5.5 DnD or 6E. And the problem I have with that is that it constantly seems to suck all of the oxygen out of the room to discuss the actual rules changes. How many posts have been had arguing over what exactly backwards compatible means? How many posts devoted solely to the idea that we must accept this is a new edition... with no actual posts about the rules, how they may work, and how they are being implemented. I think it will be a very poor playtest of the material if so much effort is put towards the sole goal of calling WoTC out and getting the "truth" instead of testing the rules and discussing them.An acknowledged difference, the quote was speaking about general trends. 2e -> 3.X -> 4e -> 5eIf you want a playtest over the 2014 Player's Handbook, that was called "Next" and it finished over seven years ago. We aren't doing that playtest. And see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your entire point is "See, they changed rules, therefore new edition, therefore they lied! Caught them!" But... if they weren't going to change any rules, then a playtest would be a waste of time and energy. This entire document is useless if they don't change rules. But, again, changing rules doesn't mean a new edition. Tasha's changed rules. Tome of Foes changed rules. Frickin' Xanathar's changed rules. So are we on Edition 5.5.7? You are drawing an arbitrary line.Then you had a new edition as soon as Xanathar's was released. Another new edition with Tome of Foes. A new edition with Tasha's. Another new edition with Stixhaven. Sure, if they released something as fundamentally and radically different as 4e, then it would be obviously a new edition. They aren't doing that. Frankly, the most drastic change is to the unarmed strike and grappling rules, and that being the high water mark doesn't make this a fundamentally different edition.I'm sorry, those weren't rules changes? Rewriting spell lists, adding new abilities, adding the ability to swap class features, fundamentally changing how races worked. Sure, the DM had fiat to ignore those changes, but.... they always have fiat to ignore changes. You can totally decide to ignore the new grappling rules and play with the old ones. But notice, whenever we talk about RAW options... Tasha's is brought up without complaint. No one says that you CAN'T use these options. And most people assume them as the default.Who buys a new 2024 PHB and then doesn't understand that they have purchased a new book? Or is your point that somehow players who don't buy the new 2024 PHB are going to somehow be wrong if they just continue playing as they were? Maybe, MAYBE, you could have people who bought the 2014 PHB, skipped the DnD anniversary, but then a few years later buy a class supplement and are confused why things don't work the same way, but those people likely had the same expeirence if the first non-PHB book they bought from 5e was Spelljammer. And frankly, someone who skips 2024 PHB and then buys a later supplement can easily be brought up to speed with good writing, and if they feel they need to the get the new rules, then they can make that call.I live in the US too. Congrats on surviving the last few years. But that doesn't mean that you are making some kind of point here. No one who participates in this playtest or buys a new PHB is expecting that they will have no rule changes from their old PHB. You are basically arguing that people who don't follow DnD news, but buy new DnD books, but don't buy the anniversary edition are going to be confused. And frankly, fans THAT casual, probably won't notice. Because the majority of these rules changes are minor.</blockquote>

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