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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8751760" data-attributes="member: 42856"><p>This is were I don't follow you. The UA feats are explicitely "first level feats". The original PHB feats don't bear this mention of being "first level feats". They are just feats, neither first-level, nor X-level, just "feats".</p><p></p><p>The fact that the vuman can take any feat, in or outside of the levelled-feats list, doesn't mean that they are first-level feats. You're assuming that any feat that can be taken at first-level is a first-level feat. Nothing explicitely supports this reading, especially since the level referred to here may be the level of the feat, like the level of spells, not the character level. Plus, there is nothing to support that any feat that one can take at first level is a 1st-level feat in the new definition. They can be outside of the "levelled feat" system altogether, this group of feat has his own restriction system (like have DEX 13 to take Stealthy).</p><p></p><p>I am pretty sure that "1st level feats" is a specific 5.5 conceit that isn't supposed to encompass all the published feats so far. On the other hand, it would be fun to have oumans taking squat nimbleness to become a 35 ft race (the requisite being dwarf or a S race, which humans are now) and complain about their advantage on opposed rolls for grappling being nerfed...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 8751760, member: 42856"] This is were I don't follow you. The UA feats are explicitely "first level feats". The original PHB feats don't bear this mention of being "first level feats". They are just feats, neither first-level, nor X-level, just "feats". The fact that the vuman can take any feat, in or outside of the levelled-feats list, doesn't mean that they are first-level feats. You're assuming that any feat that can be taken at first-level is a first-level feat. Nothing explicitely supports this reading, especially since the level referred to here may be the level of the feat, like the level of spells, not the character level. Plus, there is nothing to support that any feat that one can take at first level is a 1st-level feat in the new definition. They can be outside of the "levelled feat" system altogether, this group of feat has his own restriction system (like have DEX 13 to take Stealthy). I am pretty sure that "1st level feats" is a specific 5.5 conceit that isn't supposed to encompass all the published feats so far. On the other hand, it would be fun to have oumans taking squat nimbleness to become a 35 ft race (the requisite being dwarf or a S race, which humans are now) and complain about their advantage on opposed rolls for grappling being nerfed... [/QUOTE]
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