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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9058871" data-attributes="member: 7035894">Survivability is not even close, even if the monk puts all their resources into patient defence.Let's put them both up against an orc at level 2. Fighter has AC 18 and a longsword; 23 HP (assuming 16/16 str/con) +8 for second wind, so 31 total. Monk has AC 16, axe, dagger, 15 HP (assuming 16/16/13 dex/wis/con). We'll leave mastery out of it. They'll use all their resources.The orc will do 3.6 DPR against the fighter, needing about 9 rounds to kill him. The fighter kills the orc on the second round, action surging on the first. The orc will do only 2.25 DPR for the first two rounds against the monk, then 4.5 after that. So they would need 5 rounds to kill the monk; only 4 without patient defence. But the monk doing patient defence for those two rounds would do just 5.85 damage in each of those those first two rounds, then kills the orc on the third.If the monk uses their resources for flurry, they kill the orc on the second round, just like the fighter, but suffer the same damage to their significantly smaller HP pool.So if both use their resources, the best case scenario for the monk is winning in two rounds while losing a third of their HP if they win initiative, two thirds if they don't. The fighter also wins in two rounds, losing about 11% of their HP pool if they win initiative, 22% if they don't.You can see where this is going...what if there are two orcs? If there are two orcs, that's fine - the fighter wins in 5 rounds, losing about 25 HP in the process. The monk is dead in round 3.</blockquote>

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