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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mirrorrorrim" data-source="post: 9072260" data-attributes="member: 7040132">It's not absurd to me. Just because there are large weapons in asian unarmored fighting styles, it doesn't make them "monks". Just because they don't use armor in fiction or in real life doesn't make them "monks". They can be fighters. I don't buy the "real-world martial arts uses any weapons therefore all monks can use any weapons" argument (not saying you in particular are making this argument), because there are also weapon-using "fighters" in all cultures. And because of modern technology advancements in weaponry, martial arts becoming a sport and part of entertainment rather than a primary tool of war, most depictions of martial artists not using armor exist primarily because they don't need to anymore, or because it is pure fiction. Any real world soldier who is a martial arts expert, and is facing hordes of enemies with melee and projectile weapons is still going into war with armor on. A real world martial artist is not going to win against a tiger, or a moose for that matter.The class structures should be used to create interesting, diverse suites of powers that feel and look different from one another, to give different experiences as part of a game that includes monster-killing and surviving moose attacks (or dragon attacks). It's less about recreating anachronistic styles from real-world sports and entertainment.An unarmored spiritual warrior that wields humble, simple weapons alongside their unarmed strikes, to show that enlightenment can empower even commonfolk, is pretty darn cool. That is way different than an unstoppable juggernaut of a warrior who is a master of all weapons and armor. That separation of identity is fine.It sounds to me like some people want "monks" to just be the "fighter" but be mystical, and able to do all that while unarmored and unarmed, or with any weapon because they see monks as weapon masters. News flash. Fantasy monks aren't masters of all weapons.I think what is missing from the game, that some people crave (including myself), is an unarmored mystical/spiritual warrior that uses a favored weapon of any sort (whether unarmed strikes, throwing knives, katanas, polearms, or greatwords) and uses cool mystical/spiritual maneuvers. That concept does not fit into the monk or the fighter because is too broad to fit into those classes and do it justice. Maybe subclasses for the monk and fighter can give you a taste, but it shouldn't become the baseline of what all monks or fighters are. Monks and Fighters are already established and they deserve those places in the game. The rules just need to be tweaked so they deliver those experiences better.If someone made a quality Mystic Warrior class like that, I'd check it out.</blockquote>

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