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Message: <blockquote data-quote="W'rkncacnter" data-source="post: 8482145" data-attributes="member: 7033455">oh ok if we're just gonna start popping off about the doc then sure let's do iti'd also like to ask: do you pay the gold price every time you prepare your inventions, or only when you prepare a different spell, or only when you gain another spell to prepare? i ask because the last line before explaining the fizzle die is says you reintegrate them into new inventions.also, i think it should be specified that you (or whoever uses the invention, at later levels) maintain concentration on any concentration spells as normal (unless that ISN'T the intent, which would be kind of crazy), just so it's clear that just because you're using an invention to cast the spell doesn't mean you don't need to maintain concentration.you only create a number of inventions up to your prepared spell, because each of those inventions IS a prepared spell. at least, that's my understanding of it.i think the way schematic gold cost is handled is fine. rarer items will usually be more expensive anyways.you could also have a generic tinker option alongside your option, but that might be much.you create the curare through your tactical chemistry feature, which at this level lets you add your intelligence to the save. that takes the save DC from 13 to 16-18, depending on your intelligence (if your 9th level artificer has less then 16 int at this point, don't even talk to me honestly), which is a lot better.my only problem with the marvel of innovation feature is that, aside from being able to create more valuable trade goods, this doesn't really do anything. it's basically just "you can make more money during downtime", which is...nice, i guess, but odd for an adventurer.also, technological attunement is a crazy jump. you go from being able to attune to 3 items straight to 5 at level 14 (and you never get a 6th like in o5e, which is fine, but i like the idea of high level artificers just going "haha, attunement items go brr"). like, wow, yeah, level 14's a good spot for 5 items to attune to, but the jump gives me whiplash. getting a 4th earlier on (say, at level 10 with trinket master) would make this less jarring.your spell inventions have an AC (10+int) and hitpoints (twice artificer level), so i think it means if one of your inventions is destroyed by being targeted by an attack. though i agree it should specify if you can save an invention from fizzling out.and laboratory of the master honestly feels like several class features mashed into one that all come online too late to really be of any use. like yeah, okay, a laboratory stronghold for my artificer is nice, but am i really going to play long enough after i hit level 20 for any of this stuff to actually matter? i think this should have been spread across a few levels (maybe level 14 for the expertise and followers, 17 for the grade 4 stuff, 20 for the grade 6 stuff? although just being able to get inspiration on a long rest for the 20th level ability might be underwhelming) so that the player could actually have time to really play with this stronghold.they last for as long as you keep giving up prepared spells to maintain them (you can think of it as preparing the modification instead of a spell).and i'm going to be honest...i hate this. the idea itself is fine - giving up another class resource to get your modifications (although either way it feels a little cheap) - but why your spell inventions? this seems like something you should be giving up your infusions for, not your spells. giving up spells for these just doesn't follow in my mind, and also seems like it can really screw over your utility as a caster, which already isn't the best since you're a half-caster. honestly, i don't know why this takes a regular class resource anyways. the bombardier doesn't do this - why do the engineer and stitcher do it? but if we are going to be giving up class resources for these modifications, i don't think it should be your spells.also, advanced grafting sucks really bad. i can kind of understand making the engineer's advanced modifications take an extra invention (even if i think it should be taking infusions instead), but you're going to make the stitcher not only need to give up an extra invention, but also have a fresh corpse (of a dragon or giant for two of them, no less!) on hand to make them (and if you also need the corpses to maintain those advanced modifications, then at that point they're just worthless)??? like, damn, way to kill a cool idea.as for the bombardier, other then the low damage of the grenades (which is helped somewhat by the extra benefits you can put on one but still doesn't seem like enough), i think it's fine. maybe being able to bounce the grenades off walls to get them into tricker positions (like...actual grenades) and/or making the current wide burst standard for all alchemical grenades and making the wide burst expand the aoe even further would help instead of just increasing the damage....they are represented by a device that doesn't have a fizzle die (or a weight, but cantrips are technically 0 level spells so that checks out). it says so right at the start of the cantrips section.overall, i like this artificer, but i think the engineer and stitcher archetypes seem kind of doomed to fail due to the fact that their modifications dig into your spells, and a couple of the base class abilities sort of just run up and punch you in the face when they really should be more steadily introduced (especially the capstone, ironically enough). maybe playtesting will prove me wrong, but those are my first impressions.</blockquote>

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