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<blockquote data-quote="firesnakearies" data-source="post: 4571870" data-attributes="member: 71334"><p>Just . . . wow.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Is it April 1 already?</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>I, for one, welcome our new druid overlords!</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Look, I'm not saying that <strong>4E</strong> is like WoW, or any of that. I'm just saying that <em>IF</em> the head R&D guys at WotC <em>DO happen </em>to play WoW, I'm willing to wager on what their main characters' class is. <em>"Sweet, I finally got my Wildfury Greatstaff! Now I can get back to work on Player's Handbook 2."</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't like to use phrases like, "most blatant pandering ever" or "WTF overpowered much?" or "wizards are obsolete now" . . . but come ON.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Imagine if you took one class that already exists, and then just made it totally better in every way. Or, just read this druid preview.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Swordmages didn't make fighters look like an endangered species.</p><p></p><p>Artificers and bards don't seem to make clerics and warlords look like sorry jokes.</p><p></p><p>Barbarians don't seem to make rogues and rangers look like future unemployment line rejects.</p><p></p><p>But druids? Seriously, if this is what the class looks like when <strong>PHB2</strong> goes to print, I'm going to be appalled.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This looks to me like we have a SERIOUS case of <em>"developer's favorite class" syndrome</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also, apparently <em>dwarves</em> are the most natural choice for druids now? Nice.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been pretty ardently defending every mechanical AND flavor/lore choice that's been made for <strong>4E</strong>, even the controversial things and the radical departures from the older versions.</p><p></p><p>But this druid is just plain nonsense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Sup, Mr. Wizard guy? I'm a lot like you, except, I kinda make you look like a chump. Pretty much, anything you can do, I can do better. <em>Cloud of Daggers</em>? Neat, I guess. I've got something just like that, except mine affects NINE squares at-will, instead of just one. Kinda makes me feel like I'm cheating, frankly. I also get a lot more hit points and better armor than you, oh, and I can use the same stat that gives me more hit points to also raise my AC."</p><p></p><p>"Plus I can smash face in melee whenever I want, if I get <em>bored</em> with casting way better spells than you from range. If I was any kind of <em>reasonable</em> class, I'd have to, like, <em>pick</em> between two main stats for my melee or ranged focus, but heh, I'm a druid, so just Wisdom does it all for me. All of my melee at-will attack powers hit non-AC defenses, and I use my ranged-spell stat for them, and oh yeah, <em>they're ALL basic attacks</em>. Heh."</p><p></p><p>"I can auto-kill a pile of minions without an attack roll, using just a level 1 at-will power. You? Not only can I set up colossal zone of auto-damage at-will, I've got a whole ton of other at-wills and encounter powers that I can use, at range OR in melee, to slide or pull people into, through, and back into my huge at-will deathfire zone."</p><p> </p><p>"Did I mention I can shred guys in melee, and have better AC and hit points than anyone besides the defenders? Yeah. Did I mention that I'm sliding and/or slowing people with my melee <em>basic attacks</em>, all the time, in addition to full damage, against a <em>weak defense</em>? Yeah, I'm a <em>controller</em>, by the way. Like you! Well, not really. I DO cast ranged AoEs and zones at-will, when I'm not busy doing cooler stuff in melee than the fighters can do."</p><p></p><p>"I've also got more at-wills than most other two classes combined. Your little spellbook thing is okay, I guess, but I get to actually <em>do</em> more stuff in reality, not just in theory <em>"oh, I COULD have memorized that other spell today..."</em> I've got <strong>frost shock</strong>, too. Er, frost "flash" -- whatever we're calling it. <em>Call of the Beast</em> is just so absurd for an at-will that I'm not even going to go into that one."</p><p></p><p>"Also, are you handing out <em>free</em> healing to <em>multiple</em> party members, <em>without requiring surge use</em>, WHILE killing a bunch of minions at range, Mr. Wizard? At 1st level? Oh no, I guess you're not. Dude, you're kinda weak. Wait'll you see my higher-level powers, my special feats, my special items, my paragon paths, my epic destinies. I'll be free-action-shifting into a ridiculous flying form before you can finish reading <strong>PHB2</strong>. Watch me."</p><p></p><p>"By the way, I'm a dwarf, so it's pretty intuitive that I'd be the ideal exemplar of druidism, don't you think? When <em>I</em> think of preserving nature, I think of a race of obsessive strip-miners with countless pollution-spewing forges, personally. How about you?"</p><p></p><p>"I guess I <em>technically</em> don't make EVERY other class obsolete. I mean, we could still use a healer or two, I suppose. And maybe rangers and rogues could still be slightly useful. But I do know for sure that we don't need YOU anymore, Dumbledore. So kick rocks, kid. But don't kick 'em <em>too</em> hard, because I'm a <em>dwarven druid</em> and that'll make me angry. And you <em>know </em>damn well you can't take me."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>The 4E Druid:</strong> <em>Because apparently people at organized-play competitive <strong>D&D</strong> tournaments were complaining about having to spend time trying to decide what class to play.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em><strong>Again: I, for one, welcome our new druid overlords!</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong>(Is the new logo on the <strong>PHB2</strong> just going to say <em>Dungeons & Druids</em>, or what?)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>$</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="firesnakearies, post: 4571870, member: 71334"] Just . . . wow. Is it April 1 already? [B]I, for one, welcome our new druid overlords![/B] Look, I'm not saying that [B]4E[/B] is like WoW, or any of that. I'm just saying that [I]IF[/I] the head R&D guys at WotC [I]DO happen [/I]to play WoW, I'm willing to wager on what their main characters' class is. [I]"Sweet, I finally got my Wildfury Greatstaff! Now I can get back to work on Player's Handbook 2."[/I] I don't like to use phrases like, "most blatant pandering ever" or "WTF overpowered much?" or "wizards are obsolete now" . . . but come ON. Imagine if you took one class that already exists, and then just made it totally better in every way. Or, just read this druid preview. Swordmages didn't make fighters look like an endangered species. Artificers and bards don't seem to make clerics and warlords look like sorry jokes. Barbarians don't seem to make rogues and rangers look like future unemployment line rejects. But druids? Seriously, if this is what the class looks like when [B]PHB2[/B] goes to print, I'm going to be appalled. This looks to me like we have a SERIOUS case of [I]"developer's favorite class" syndrome[/I]. Also, apparently [I]dwarves[/I] are the most natural choice for druids now? Nice. I've been pretty ardently defending every mechanical AND flavor/lore choice that's been made for [B]4E[/B], even the controversial things and the radical departures from the older versions. But this druid is just plain nonsense. "Sup, Mr. Wizard guy? I'm a lot like you, except, I kinda make you look like a chump. Pretty much, anything you can do, I can do better. [I]Cloud of Daggers[/I]? Neat, I guess. I've got something just like that, except mine affects NINE squares at-will, instead of just one. Kinda makes me feel like I'm cheating, frankly. I also get a lot more hit points and better armor than you, oh, and I can use the same stat that gives me more hit points to also raise my AC." "Plus I can smash face in melee whenever I want, if I get [I]bored[/I] with casting way better spells than you from range. If I was any kind of [I]reasonable[/I] class, I'd have to, like, [I]pick[/I] between two main stats for my melee or ranged focus, but heh, I'm a druid, so just Wisdom does it all for me. All of my melee at-will attack powers hit non-AC defenses, and I use my ranged-spell stat for them, and oh yeah, [I]they're ALL basic attacks[/I]. Heh." "I can auto-kill a pile of minions without an attack roll, using just a level 1 at-will power. You? Not only can I set up colossal zone of auto-damage at-will, I've got a whole ton of other at-wills and encounter powers that I can use, at range OR in melee, to slide or pull people into, through, and back into my huge at-will deathfire zone." "Did I mention I can shred guys in melee, and have better AC and hit points than anyone besides the defenders? Yeah. Did I mention that I'm sliding and/or slowing people with my melee [I]basic attacks[/I], all the time, in addition to full damage, against a [I]weak defense[/I]? Yeah, I'm a [I]controller[/I], by the way. Like you! Well, not really. I DO cast ranged AoEs and zones at-will, when I'm not busy doing cooler stuff in melee than the fighters can do." "I've also got more at-wills than most other two classes combined. Your little spellbook thing is okay, I guess, but I get to actually [I]do[/I] more stuff in reality, not just in theory [I]"oh, I COULD have memorized that other spell today..."[/I] I've got [B]frost shock[/B], too. Er, frost "flash" -- whatever we're calling it. [I]Call of the Beast[/I] is just so absurd for an at-will that I'm not even going to go into that one." "Also, are you handing out [I]free[/I] healing to [I]multiple[/I] party members, [I]without requiring surge use[/I], WHILE killing a bunch of minions at range, Mr. Wizard? At 1st level? Oh no, I guess you're not. Dude, you're kinda weak. Wait'll you see my higher-level powers, my special feats, my special items, my paragon paths, my epic destinies. I'll be free-action-shifting into a ridiculous flying form before you can finish reading [B]PHB2[/B]. Watch me." "By the way, I'm a dwarf, so it's pretty intuitive that I'd be the ideal exemplar of druidism, don't you think? When [I]I[/I] think of preserving nature, I think of a race of obsessive strip-miners with countless pollution-spewing forges, personally. How about you?" "I guess I [I]technically[/I] don't make EVERY other class obsolete. I mean, we could still use a healer or two, I suppose. And maybe rangers and rogues could still be slightly useful. But I do know for sure that we don't need YOU anymore, Dumbledore. So kick rocks, kid. But don't kick 'em [I]too[/I] hard, because I'm a [I]dwarven druid[/I] and that'll make me angry. And you [I]know [/I]damn well you can't take me." [B]The 4E Druid:[/B] [I]Because apparently people at organized-play competitive [B]D&D[/B] tournaments were complaining about having to spend time trying to decide what class to play. [/I][B]Again: I, for one, welcome our new druid overlords! [/B](Is the new logo on the [B]PHB2[/B] just going to say [I]Dungeons & Druids[/I], or what?) [B]$[/B] [/QUOTE]
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