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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 4576602" data-attributes="member: 53980">I know that it isn't a perfectly simulationist answer (in all fairness though, 4e isn't especially simulationist to begin with) but in the case of something like Fire Seed targeting an empty space, I would make the AC/Reflex/whatever of the space equal to lowest value of the creatures adjacent to the space being targeted.Making it a flat value means that higher level characters will only fail on a nat 1 (though a fair arguement could be made that by those levels there are so many auto-damage powers that having Fire Seed act as one 95% of the time really isn't an issue).  If you set it at the lowest value of the creatures inside the AoE, it scales, which is preferable to me (and if you really need a simulationist explanation, you can say that it represents the chance that those adjacent to the square will bat the seed aside mid-flight).If the player simply wanted to create damaging terrain (targeting a square that had no adjacent enemies) I'd make it a flat AC 10, since whether it has any effect at all will be fairly situational, and creating damaging terrain seems to be a controller specialty.</blockquote>