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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 3530579" data-attributes="member: 40177">Again, though - how is that any different from a fighter?&nbsp; Both characters have the same goal - damaging enemies.&nbsp; They just take different routes to accomplish that goal.&nbsp; I think anyone making the argument &quot;The warmage is useless outside of combat&quot; should consider that a large number of D&amp;D classes (Fighter, Barbarian, Hexblade, Warblade, Knight, Duskblade...) are just as weak outside of combat, if not moreso.&nbsp; While war mages are fairly narrow in what they can do, it's not necessarily as narrow as some players suggest.&nbsp; After all, they do gain access (through advanced learning) to other Evocation spells... and with all the wotc products out there, I'm sure there are a few that could expand upon the war mage's versatility just a little bit.&nbsp; I just think that saying &quot;war mage is weak because it can't do what a wizard can do&quot; is a flawed argument.&nbsp; True, a wizard can cast any spell a warmage can cast... if he memorizes it.&nbsp; And even then, the warmage will be doing more damage with the same spell, and can cast it more times per day.&nbsp; In all, I think a warmage is a GREAT intro class for anyone who wants to play an arcane caster for the first time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 3530579, member: 40177"] Again, though - how is that any different from a fighter? Both characters have the same goal - damaging enemies. They just take different routes to accomplish that goal. I think anyone making the argument "The warmage is useless outside of combat" should consider that a large number of D&D classes (Fighter, Barbarian, Hexblade, Warblade, Knight, Duskblade...) are just as weak outside of combat, if not moreso. While war mages are fairly narrow in what they can do, it's not necessarily as narrow as some players suggest. After all, they do gain access (through advanced learning) to other Evocation spells... and with all the wotc products out there, I'm sure there are a few that could expand upon the war mage's versatility just a little bit. I just think that saying "war mage is weak because it can't do what a wizard can do" is a flawed argument. True, a wizard can cast any spell a warmage can cast... if he memorizes it. And even then, the warmage will be doing more damage with the same spell, and can cast it more times per day. In all, I think a warmage is a GREAT intro class for anyone who wants to play an arcane caster for the first time. [/QUOTE]

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