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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5848330" data-attributes="member: 59506">Whether the core rules include a cap or not, my games will continue to. Of the options presented, I chose ̴ 20 because that's the option closest to what I want. I'd actually prefer 25, but not 25+. Since Strength values are almost identical between 3E and 4E (I didn't check for earlier editions), I once compared Strength Values in D&D to real world equivalents. The highest documented real-world strength for a man was 23, and for a woman 21. For those that want a difference between Male & Female charcters, there's the real numbers (not a penalty, but a cap). However, I've found in my games that enforcing the difference between male & female characters is insignificant enough that it wasn't worth the problems that come with that. Could it be possible that in the distant past there was a man or woman that exceeded those numbers? Sure. Do I think it has ever happened? No.  But, from a play standpoint, I've found that the bonuses involved by even limiting to a Strength of 25 are extremely significant, even game changing.  In my games though, I don't have regular Ability increases based on level. One has to take a Feat for specific training to raise an Ability Score. It allows for really high scores if one wants them, but at a significant cost in Feats, which tends to limit such incredibly high scores to a rare occurance.  Maybe what Monte and Company might want to look at is changing the Strength score divisions themselves. Making the equivalent of a 25 Strength (in weight that can be lifted) to be the new 20 or 21, but with the same bonuses that 20 or 21 possessed.  But either way, as I said at the beginning of this post; whether Monte and Company install a cap or not, my games will continue to have a cap, and those who don't want one will likely just ignore them anyways.  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses    B-)" data-shortname="B-)" /></blockquote>

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