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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5850909" data-attributes="member: 59506">I'm considerably confused by this.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> Clean and Jerk is lifting a weight off the ground and to chest level using a jerking technique that incoporates all the bodies muscles. And then uses another move (the Clean) to go from chest to over-head (still using all of the bodies muscles).  Snatch is another technique, but one that's significantly different (goes straight from the ground to over the head using arms, upper body, and back - but not the legs, pauses with arms locked out, and then stands up using the legs).  Since I assume that D&D characters aren't lifting a weight over their head for sport, but out of necessity, I assume they are going to use the most effective technique (the one that allows them to lift the most weight).  That would be the Clean and Jerk. I'm not sure what the disconnect here is though.  What do you believe "Lift over head" entails? The only other option I can imagine is Shoulder Press, which is limited to lifting a weight that starts at head/shoulders/chest level position and isolates the shoulder muscles (not allowing the use of other muscles like the legs and back). Why would a D&D character finding themselves in a situation where they need to lift a weight over their head, limit themselves to using only the weakest muscles in the process? What are you using as "lift over head" to limit to an 18 strength? Isn't the Strength score supposed to be modeling the complete lifting capacity of the characters muscles...all of their muscles (not just certain muscles)...? I'm not trying to pick an argument, I'm just honestly confused as to what else there is to model strength on...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" /></blockquote>

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