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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5823164" data-attributes="member: 35909">O_O Didn't realize I used the word "suck" so much till I read my own posts.  It's just such a powerful, efficient word to relay my thoughts on something in a succinct manner, I end up using it so much w/o even realizing, heh.No problem!You can only use Lunge on your own turn, it does not help on AoOs or anything else out of turn.  So all Monkey Lunge is good for is not taking a -2 AC when using Lunge with a standard action attack action.  Monkey Lunge doesn't help you with AoOs or Step Up & Strike or anything else at all like that.Actually...I forgot.  In PF, a +X weapon can overcome various types of DR, and Penetrating Strike doesn't work on DR X/-- anyway, so it may not even be that useful if you can keep your sword enhanced well.Actually may want CR if getting Step Up & Strike.  SU&S burns an AoO to benefit from, but half the point of following in the first place is to threaten a caster or archer.  If you have no AoOs left, you no longer threaten him (though a caster may not realize that and try to cast defensively anyway).  So in most situations, without CR you're better off not using SU&S at all, which makes it a waste of a feat.On another note, I'm starting to wonder if Following Step and SU&S are even <a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderRPG/rules/aPGsFollowingStep" target="_blank">that useful</a>.  Following Step's 10 ft movement seems completely unnecessary since it still has all the trigger requirements of Step Up (only when a foe 5 ft steps), and by RAW it may actually provoke an AoO!  Both feats may actually not be worth taking.  Even with all 3, it's an immediate action to use, so you can only do it once/turn, which by the end of a 3 feat chain seems too limiting.In my opinion VS isn't worth it.  It'd be an extra 2d4 damage for you, 5 on average.  I know you can't always full attack, but VS only ever seems worth it to me if you have massive base weapon damage, like a Druid wildshaped into a T-Rex with Imp. Natural Attack (bite) and Strongjaw spell.</blockquote>

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