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Please evaluate my fighter build OR: help me fit a square peg in a round hole
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<blockquote data-quote="AtG" data-source="post: 6733743" data-attributes="member: 6802988"><p>Background:</p><p></p><p>I'm joining a 5e game that's just starting up. I mostly have experience with 4e. The DM has asked people to please "munchkin as little as possible (I'm under no illusions you'll avoid it altogether)". I trust the group to follow this, although it has several mathy compulsive optimizer types (including me).</p><p></p><p>Creation rules:</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Starting at 2nd level </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Custom setting (some of the other players are familiar with this, it's set several hundred years after their last campaign) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Races available: Humans, Elves, Gnomes, Half-Elves, Dragonborn, or Tieflings </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No chaotic evil characters </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Noble/Knight backgrounds forbidden </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">All characters ought to be either poor or have some sort of criminal past </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rolled stats (ugh, yeah, I know), replace lowest score with 18 </li> </ul><p></p><p>I rolled 17 15 13 12 11 9 (which becomes 18 17 15 13 12 11).</p><p></p><p>Personal character goals (non-"optimal" constraints I'd like to impose on myself)</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighter, no spellcasting </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Human </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Warlordy action-granting/etc. (don't care about healing) </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Functional defender mechanics </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">High Int, ability to at least thematically emulate the Str/Int tactician warlord even where I can't do so mechanically </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ability to use Stealth effectively</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Kind of prefer Str fighter to Dex fighter, but at this point I feel like that's just being difficult </li> </ul><p></p><p>This is what I've put together so far:</p><p></p><p>Class: Fighter</p><p>Race: Human (standard, not variant)</p><p>Starting stats: Str 18 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 19 Wis 13 Cha 12</p><p>Background: Thief-taker (homebrew variant Criminal I've asked my DM to allow, gets Investigation/Stealth as skills)</p><p>Skills: Athletics, Perception</p><p>Fighting Style: Dueling (for sword-and-board)</p><p>Planned Martial Archetype: Battle Master</p><p>Planned Maneuvers: contingent on party makeup, which I don't know yet. Hoping we have a solid rogue so I can take Commander's Strike.</p><p>Planned Feats:</p><p>4: Sentinel</p><p>6: +2 Strength</p><p>8: Medium Armor Mastery</p><p>12: +2 Dexterity</p><p>14: Resilient: Wisdom</p><p>16: Observant (+1 Int)</p><p>19: ???? Shield Master or +2 to something, probably</p><p></p><p>I care more about getting myself functional and fun ASAP than about theoretical level-20 power.</p><p></p><p>The thing that's bothering me about this build is that I spent ages trying to work out this build with Great Weapon Fighting as the style and Polearm Master and Great Weapon Master as feats alongside Sentinel. The PM/Sentinel synergies look neat and both PM and GWM seem like they are huge damage boosts to have to give up, but I couldn't figure out how to get a decent AC with those without wearing heavy armor which kills stealth.</p><p></p><p>Will I be OK with just Sentinel? Is there anything obvious I've missed?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AtG, post: 6733743, member: 6802988"] Background: I'm joining a 5e game that's just starting up. I mostly have experience with 4e. The DM has asked people to please "munchkin as little as possible (I'm under no illusions you'll avoid it altogether)". I trust the group to follow this, although it has several mathy compulsive optimizer types (including me). Creation rules: [LIST] [*]Starting at 2nd level [*]Custom setting (some of the other players are familiar with this, it's set several hundred years after their last campaign) [*]Races available: Humans, Elves, Gnomes, Half-Elves, Dragonborn, or Tieflings [*]No chaotic evil characters [*]Noble/Knight backgrounds forbidden [*]All characters ought to be either poor or have some sort of criminal past [*]Rolled stats (ugh, yeah, I know), replace lowest score with 18 [/LIST] I rolled 17 15 13 12 11 9 (which becomes 18 17 15 13 12 11). Personal character goals (non-"optimal" constraints I'd like to impose on myself) [LIST] [*]Fighter, no spellcasting [*]Human [*]Warlordy action-granting/etc. (don't care about healing) [*]Functional defender mechanics [*]High Int, ability to at least thematically emulate the Str/Int tactician warlord even where I can't do so mechanically [*]Ability to use Stealth effectively [*]Kind of prefer Str fighter to Dex fighter, but at this point I feel like that's just being difficult [/LIST] This is what I've put together so far: Class: Fighter Race: Human (standard, not variant) Starting stats: Str 18 Dex 14 Con 16 Int 19 Wis 13 Cha 12 Background: Thief-taker (homebrew variant Criminal I've asked my DM to allow, gets Investigation/Stealth as skills) Skills: Athletics, Perception Fighting Style: Dueling (for sword-and-board) Planned Martial Archetype: Battle Master Planned Maneuvers: contingent on party makeup, which I don't know yet. Hoping we have a solid rogue so I can take Commander's Strike. Planned Feats: 4: Sentinel 6: +2 Strength 8: Medium Armor Mastery 12: +2 Dexterity 14: Resilient: Wisdom 16: Observant (+1 Int) 19: ???? Shield Master or +2 to something, probably I care more about getting myself functional and fun ASAP than about theoretical level-20 power. The thing that's bothering me about this build is that I spent ages trying to work out this build with Great Weapon Fighting as the style and Polearm Master and Great Weapon Master as feats alongside Sentinel. The PM/Sentinel synergies look neat and both PM and GWM seem like they are huge damage boosts to have to give up, but I couldn't figure out how to get a decent AC with those without wearing heavy armor which kills stealth. Will I be OK with just Sentinel? Is there anything obvious I've missed? [/QUOTE]
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