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<blockquote data-quote="Jurble" data-source="post: 2839750" data-attributes="member: 20062"><p>Hi everyone!</p><p></p><p>Ok so ive had a big change in this design process because ive basically stopped trying to tailor these races to be playable, and instead making them NPC races for the moment. Some are way to big and scary for players to be (Monstrous races) and being a newish DM i think its safer if they are only under my control and arnt going to totally unbalance the game.</p><p></p><p>Anyway ive included total approximations of LA/CR (is LA/CR the same thing?) and any suggestions you have on these new versions would be greatly appreciated! Im really looking to balance them (to the closest LA/CR) and also to find some interesting disadvanatges to give them (Ie Jare' and daylight blindness)</p><p></p><p>Also with the whole "Whiskers" concept i still havnt found a good feat to approximate that. Something that gives them extra sense of air movement around themselves and so helps them understand the area and especially sensitivity to movement near them. Hence under feats ive put *Whiskers* <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Id love to approximate this but if its too hard then i can always get rid of it.</p><p></p><p>Anyway thanks everyone for all the help, hope you guys can maybe use these when they are done! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>M</p><p></p><p>-------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Santarai (LA+1-4?) - (Margay Derived)</strong></p><p></p><p>Small Size</p><p>Dex +4, Str -2, Con -2, Int -2, Cha +2</p><p>Normal Speed 30</p><p>Climb Speed 30 (Excelent Climbers)</p><p>Darklight Vision</p><p>Bonus Feat: Pounce, *Whiskers*, Track</p><p>Incredible Leap - +8 racial bonus to Jump</p><p>Natural Grace - +2 racial bonus to Move Silently, Balance, and Tumble. Balance is always a class skill.</p><p>1d4 Claw Attack</p><p>(Ranger/Rogue)</p><p></p><p>Diet: Carnivores (Eat Birds)</p><p></p><p>--------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Tonarai (LA+2-5?)</strong> - Lion/Wookie Derivative (See pic of Togorian on the Front of Star Wars Book - "The Paradise Snare" A. C. Crispin (But lion colours not usually black like the pic)</p><p></p><p>Large Size (5-10ft reach?)</p><p>Females: +2 Str, -2 Int, (-2 Cha?)</p><p>Males: +4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis, (-2 Cha?)</p><p>Normal Speed 30 (Maybe slower?)</p><p>Lowlight Vision</p><p>Bonus Feat: Pounce, Scent, Rake</p><p>1d6 Bite/Claw</p><p>Intimidate Bonus (+2?)</p><p>Camouflage: +2 hide/move silent in Tall Grass/Plains</p><p>Grapple Bonus? (Just Females)</p><p>(Barbarian)</p><p></p><p>Males have manes but only the Alpha male is allowed to grow his. Other males will start to grow out theirs when attempting to compete for dominance in the tribe.</p><p></p><p>Diet: Carnivores (Eat Large Herbivores (Cows, Elephants etc)</p><p></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Kesrai (LA+1-3) - Tiger Derivative</strong></p><p></p><p>Normal Size</p><p>+2 Dex, -2 Con, +2 Wis, -2/4? Cha</p><p>Normal Speed 30</p><p>Lowlight Vision</p><p>Bonus Feat: Pounce, *Whiskers*, Track</p><p>1d6 Bite Attack</p><p>1d4 Claw Attack</p><p>Intimidate Bonus (+2?)</p><p>Grapple Bonus (+2?)</p><p>(Ranger)</p><p></p><p>Diet: Carnivores (Eat Grazers, Various Forest Creatures)</p><p></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Karai (LA+0/1) - Civilised Descendants of Kesrai</strong></p><p></p><p>Normal Size</p><p>+2 Dex, -4 Con, +2 Int</p><p>Normal Speed 30</p><p>Bonus Feat: Alertness</p><p>1d4 Bite Attack (Evolutionary Leftover)</p><p>Craft +2</p><p>(Favoured Class:?)</p><p></p><p>Diet: Omnivores (Civilised by dont cook their meat usually)</p><p></p><p>Cultural Feature: Claw Bracers</p><p>Those Karai growing up in their own society use claw bracers as a cultural symbol. Hence many take Proficiency in Claw bracers at first level? *thoughts?*</p><p></p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Jare' (LA+1/2?) - (Leopard Derivative)</strong></p><p></p><p>Normal Size</p><p>-2 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int</p><p>Normal Speed 30</p><p>Darkvision</p><p>Bonus Feat: Pounce, Alertness</p><p>Jump/Climb +2</p><p>1d4 Bite/Claw Attack</p><p>Natural Grace - +2 racial bonus to Move Silently, Balance, and Tumble. Balance is always a class skill.</p><p>Semichameleon Ability: +4 hide for 1 round + bonus langauge (Can be used to communicate basic emotions between members)</p><p>+2 Move Silently</p><p>Daylight Blindness - -4 to Spot, Search & Sight Related Skills during the Day</p><p>(Ranger)</p><p></p><p>Diet: Carnivores (Eat smaller forest creatures. Monkeys, Deer etc)</p><p></p><p>Have a white end to their tails. Instinctively raises when not hunting, or in a dangerous situation. A small sign of if a Jare' is angrered or not.</p><p></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><strong>Jas'ue (LA+0?)</strong></p><p></p><p>Normal Size</p><p>-4 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Con, +4 Int</p><p>Normal Speed 30</p><p>Lowlight Vision</p><p>Jump/Climb +2</p><p>Knowledge is always a class skill</p><p>Chameleon Ability: +4 Hide + Bonus Language</p><p>(Can be used as a complete language between Jas'ue, including expressing emotion, maturity, hungriness, sexual)</p><p>(Wizard)</p><p></p><p>Diet: Omnivores (Usually cook their meat like humans)</p><p></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p></p><p><u><strong>Other things i thought worth including</strong></u></p><p></p><p>So since i havnt come even close to finalising these creatures i figured this was worth including. Also im really interested in some disadvantage type feats (like Bronts Katara have the Wondering mind feat (hence i included it)) </p><p></p><p>If there are any you guys know which you think are worth mentioning would love to hear your suggestions! </p><p></p><p><strong>Mounterous Abilities which Fit:</strong></p><p></p><p>Pounce: When creatures with this special attack make a charge, they can follow with a full attack-including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability.</p><p></p><p>Scent: Allows creatures to detect approching enemies, sniff out hidden foes and track by sense of smell, can idenifty familiar odors just as humans can identify using sight.</p><p></p><p>Rake: creature gains an extra natural attack when it grapples its foe without a -4 pentaly to attack. Must grapple then rake in turn, cant rake and grapple in the same turn.</p><p></p><p><strong>Possible Bonus Feats which fit (Thanks Bront!):</strong></p><p></p><p>Keen Ears - +2 racial bonus to Listen,</p><p></p><p>Natural Grace - +2 racial bonus to Move Silently, Balance, and Tumble. Balance is always a class skill.</p><p></p><p>Incredible Leap - +8 racial bonus to Jump</p><p></p><p>Wandering Mind - -1 save vs enchantment/charm effects, -2 racial penalty to sense motive and concentration checks (Katara are extremely curious and as a result, their minds often wander, overlooking dangers most might otherwise see)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jurble, post: 2839750, member: 20062"] Hi everyone! Ok so ive had a big change in this design process because ive basically stopped trying to tailor these races to be playable, and instead making them NPC races for the moment. Some are way to big and scary for players to be (Monstrous races) and being a newish DM i think its safer if they are only under my control and arnt going to totally unbalance the game. Anyway ive included total approximations of LA/CR (is LA/CR the same thing?) and any suggestions you have on these new versions would be greatly appreciated! Im really looking to balance them (to the closest LA/CR) and also to find some interesting disadvanatges to give them (Ie Jare' and daylight blindness) Also with the whole "Whiskers" concept i still havnt found a good feat to approximate that. Something that gives them extra sense of air movement around themselves and so helps them understand the area and especially sensitivity to movement near them. Hence under feats ive put *Whiskers* :) Id love to approximate this but if its too hard then i can always get rid of it. Anyway thanks everyone for all the help, hope you guys can maybe use these when they are done! :D M ------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Santarai (LA+1-4?) - (Margay Derived)[/b] Small Size Dex +4, Str -2, Con -2, Int -2, Cha +2 Normal Speed 30 Climb Speed 30 (Excelent Climbers) Darklight Vision Bonus Feat: Pounce, *Whiskers*, Track Incredible Leap - +8 racial bonus to Jump Natural Grace - +2 racial bonus to Move Silently, Balance, and Tumble. Balance is always a class skill. 1d4 Claw Attack (Ranger/Rogue) Diet: Carnivores (Eat Birds) -------------------------------------------------------- [b]Tonarai (LA+2-5?)[/b] - Lion/Wookie Derivative (See pic of Togorian on the Front of Star Wars Book - "The Paradise Snare" A. C. Crispin (But lion colours not usually black like the pic) Large Size (5-10ft reach?) Females: +2 Str, -2 Int, (-2 Cha?) Males: +4 Str, -2 Int, -2 Wis, (-2 Cha?) Normal Speed 30 (Maybe slower?) Lowlight Vision Bonus Feat: Pounce, Scent, Rake 1d6 Bite/Claw Intimidate Bonus (+2?) Camouflage: +2 hide/move silent in Tall Grass/Plains Grapple Bonus? (Just Females) (Barbarian) Males have manes but only the Alpha male is allowed to grow his. Other males will start to grow out theirs when attempting to compete for dominance in the tribe. Diet: Carnivores (Eat Large Herbivores (Cows, Elephants etc) --------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Kesrai (LA+1-3) - Tiger Derivative[/b] Normal Size +2 Dex, -2 Con, +2 Wis, -2/4? Cha Normal Speed 30 Lowlight Vision Bonus Feat: Pounce, *Whiskers*, Track 1d6 Bite Attack 1d4 Claw Attack Intimidate Bonus (+2?) Grapple Bonus (+2?) (Ranger) Diet: Carnivores (Eat Grazers, Various Forest Creatures) ----------------------------------------------------------- [b]Karai (LA+0/1) - Civilised Descendants of Kesrai[/b] Normal Size +2 Dex, -4 Con, +2 Int Normal Speed 30 Bonus Feat: Alertness 1d4 Bite Attack (Evolutionary Leftover) Craft +2 (Favoured Class:?) Diet: Omnivores (Civilised by dont cook their meat usually) Cultural Feature: Claw Bracers Those Karai growing up in their own society use claw bracers as a cultural symbol. Hence many take Proficiency in Claw bracers at first level? *thoughts?* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Jare' (LA+1/2?) - (Leopard Derivative)[/b] Normal Size -2 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Wis, -2 Int Normal Speed 30 Darkvision Bonus Feat: Pounce, Alertness Jump/Climb +2 1d4 Bite/Claw Attack Natural Grace - +2 racial bonus to Move Silently, Balance, and Tumble. Balance is always a class skill. Semichameleon Ability: +4 hide for 1 round + bonus langauge (Can be used to communicate basic emotions between members) +2 Move Silently Daylight Blindness - -4 to Spot, Search & Sight Related Skills during the Day (Ranger) Diet: Carnivores (Eat smaller forest creatures. Monkeys, Deer etc) Have a white end to their tails. Instinctively raises when not hunting, or in a dangerous situation. A small sign of if a Jare' is angrered or not. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [b]Jas'ue (LA+0?)[/b] Normal Size -4 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Con, +4 Int Normal Speed 30 Lowlight Vision Jump/Climb +2 Knowledge is always a class skill Chameleon Ability: +4 Hide + Bonus Language (Can be used as a complete language between Jas'ue, including expressing emotion, maturity, hungriness, sexual) (Wizard) Diet: Omnivores (Usually cook their meat like humans) ----------------------------------------------------- [u][b]Other things i thought worth including[/b][/u][b][/b] So since i havnt come even close to finalising these creatures i figured this was worth including. Also im really interested in some disadvantage type feats (like Bronts Katara have the Wondering mind feat (hence i included it)) If there are any you guys know which you think are worth mentioning would love to hear your suggestions! [b]Mounterous Abilities which Fit:[/b] Pounce: When creatures with this special attack make a charge, they can follow with a full attack-including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability. Scent: Allows creatures to detect approching enemies, sniff out hidden foes and track by sense of smell, can idenifty familiar odors just as humans can identify using sight. Rake: creature gains an extra natural attack when it grapples its foe without a -4 pentaly to attack. Must grapple then rake in turn, cant rake and grapple in the same turn. [b]Possible Bonus Feats which fit (Thanks Bront!):[/b] Keen Ears - +2 racial bonus to Listen, Natural Grace - +2 racial bonus to Move Silently, Balance, and Tumble. Balance is always a class skill. Incredible Leap - +8 racial bonus to Jump Wandering Mind - -1 save vs enchantment/charm effects, -2 racial penalty to sense motive and concentration checks (Katara are extremely curious and as a result, their minds often wander, overlooking dangers most might otherwise see) [/QUOTE]
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