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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Xtheth" data-source="post: 4588235" data-attributes="member: 56179">My group started playing 4E wanting to use minis in every single battle. It wasn't bad, but it made for a long setup trying to find the right monsters (or at least reasonable monster stand-ins) gradually I let the players fight smaller fights off of the map and eventually broke them away from the &quot;We NEED a map&quot; mindset.&nbsp;Its all about making fair calls, and trying to picture the battlefield in your mind. concepts like &quot;How many squares away is the bad guy?&quot; should be thrown out the window and replace with &quot;you can reach the minions this round, but not the king killer monster mage this round&quot; or whatever you want to tell your PCs. &nbsp;Playing without a map definately makes judgement calls on ranges and area of effects a little harder to arbitrate, but it's easily adapted to.&nbsp;I guess my best suggestion realy is to just try it and see how it works out. Make your own calls on how to best handle the situations that come up. Start small though. &quot;It's you and this solo monster, I'm not putting a map down for this&quot; to &quot;Theres only 3 dudes, we don't need a map&quot; etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Xtheth, post: 4588235, member: 56179"] My group started playing 4E wanting to use minis in every single battle. It wasn't bad, but it made for a long setup trying to find the right monsters (or at least reasonable monster stand-ins) gradually I let the players fight smaller fights off of the map and eventually broke them away from the "We NEED a map" mindset. Its all about making fair calls, and trying to picture the battlefield in your mind. concepts like "How many squares away is the bad guy?" should be thrown out the window and replace with "you can reach the minions this round, but not the king killer monster mage this round" or whatever you want to tell your PCs. Playing without a map definately makes judgement calls on ranges and area of effects a little harder to arbitrate, but it's easily adapted to. I guess my best suggestion realy is to just try it and see how it works out. Make your own calls on how to best handle the situations that come up. Start small though. "It's you and this solo monster, I'm not putting a map down for this" to "Theres only 3 dudes, we don't need a map" etc. [/QUOTE]

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