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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6822572" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>My first reaction:</p><p><img src="http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/08/nope_nope_nope_nope-71632.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p>...but you're a newbie, so that might not be useful. </p><p></p><p>Here's the thing: IMXP, party conflict like this is rarely much fun, and often ends up detracting from the fun of killing monsters and taking their stuff. I don't usually come to D&D games to struggle with my fellow players about basic RP shiz. </p><p></p><p>If your character goes around doing grisly things like scalping enemies and making a hat out of their scalps, you should probably expect the rest of the world to react to that - in most D&D games, that reaction from a lot of corners is going to be "Ew. That's gross and you're weird. You're also possibly dangerous." You're playing an Oathbreaker already, so being a little transgressive is totally in-character. That doesn't mean the rest of the characters / NPC's are going to approve of it - in fact, the disapproval of Stuffypants the LG Cleric of Life is probably the same kind of disapproval your character is used to from the Oath of Vengeance paladins that he broke his oath to. </p><p></p><p>So the first thing to note is that the cleric's reaction isn't exceptional - that's kind of the reaction I'd imagine you'd <em>want</em> to see. One of the fun challenges for you is going to be making this kind of gross and weird activity something that doesn't disqualify your character from Doing the Right Thing. ("Just because I made a hat out of the scalps of my enemies doesn't mean I'm not on your side, bro." *doffs hat respectfully*)</p><p></p><p>But regardless of the behavior of the other PC's / The Rest of the Campaign World, it's useful to internalize this mantra: "<strong>I am here to work WITH the party</strong>". D&D's a team game that you only stand a chance of doing well at if you collaborate with your party. That means Stuffypants over there is <em>not your enemy</em>. He's your ally. He's there to smack down the same bad guys you are, and he's there to heal and support you when you get in over your head, and he's <em>not an acceptable target for shenanigans</em>. Sure, he's a dink who wants to poop on your scalp party, but in the war against evil there will be <strong>hundreds</strong> of scalps, and he won't always be around / be conscious / be quick enough to stop you all the time. </p><p></p><p>In your shoes, I'd probably tell Stuffypants that it was all for a laugh. It shows your character has a pretty monstrous sense of humor, but he's a man making a hat out of scalps, so <em>clearly</em> his sense of polite behavior is seriously out of whack with most of the world's. That establishes that your character has some limits to what he's willing to get suckers to do - he's a bit of a sociopath, but he knows there's limits. </p><p></p><p>As for regaining trust: be prepared to not be trusted for a while, and try to think of ways you can be useful to the cleric and what he wants to accomplish. You can even say, "I promise not to scalp anyone for the next week!" or whatever, for a cherry on top. Maybe have a good chat about why you think scalping is important, and why he thinks it's not cool. Make him a drinking cup from the skull of some villain and present it to him as a peace offering. Focus on your shared goals, and see how well you can pursue those. </p><p></p><p>Be genuinely repentant - your character should note that he probably went too far, he's learned a lesson, and won't mess with the Cleric like that again.</p><p></p><p>And as a player, keep in mind that mantra: "<strong>I am here to work WITH the party</strong>". Stuffypants might be a buzzkill, but he's not who you should be focusing your energy on defeating, overcoming, or messing with. </p><p></p><p>Save that for the evil people whose scalps will soon be resting on yours.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6822572, member: 2067"] My first reaction: [IMG]http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/08/nope_nope_nope_nope-71632.gif[/IMG] ...but you're a newbie, so that might not be useful. Here's the thing: IMXP, party conflict like this is rarely much fun, and often ends up detracting from the fun of killing monsters and taking their stuff. I don't usually come to D&D games to struggle with my fellow players about basic RP shiz. If your character goes around doing grisly things like scalping enemies and making a hat out of their scalps, you should probably expect the rest of the world to react to that - in most D&D games, that reaction from a lot of corners is going to be "Ew. That's gross and you're weird. You're also possibly dangerous." You're playing an Oathbreaker already, so being a little transgressive is totally in-character. That doesn't mean the rest of the characters / NPC's are going to approve of it - in fact, the disapproval of Stuffypants the LG Cleric of Life is probably the same kind of disapproval your character is used to from the Oath of Vengeance paladins that he broke his oath to. So the first thing to note is that the cleric's reaction isn't exceptional - that's kind of the reaction I'd imagine you'd [I]want[/I] to see. One of the fun challenges for you is going to be making this kind of gross and weird activity something that doesn't disqualify your character from Doing the Right Thing. ("Just because I made a hat out of the scalps of my enemies doesn't mean I'm not on your side, bro." *doffs hat respectfully*) But regardless of the behavior of the other PC's / The Rest of the Campaign World, it's useful to internalize this mantra: "[B]I am here to work WITH the party[/B]". D&D's a team game that you only stand a chance of doing well at if you collaborate with your party. That means Stuffypants over there is [I]not your enemy[/I]. He's your ally. He's there to smack down the same bad guys you are, and he's there to heal and support you when you get in over your head, and he's [I]not an acceptable target for shenanigans[/I]. Sure, he's a dink who wants to poop on your scalp party, but in the war against evil there will be [B]hundreds[/B] of scalps, and he won't always be around / be conscious / be quick enough to stop you all the time. In your shoes, I'd probably tell Stuffypants that it was all for a laugh. It shows your character has a pretty monstrous sense of humor, but he's a man making a hat out of scalps, so [I]clearly[/I] his sense of polite behavior is seriously out of whack with most of the world's. That establishes that your character has some limits to what he's willing to get suckers to do - he's a bit of a sociopath, but he knows there's limits. As for regaining trust: be prepared to not be trusted for a while, and try to think of ways you can be useful to the cleric and what he wants to accomplish. You can even say, "I promise not to scalp anyone for the next week!" or whatever, for a cherry on top. Maybe have a good chat about why you think scalping is important, and why he thinks it's not cool. Make him a drinking cup from the skull of some villain and present it to him as a peace offering. Focus on your shared goals, and see how well you can pursue those. Be genuinely repentant - your character should note that he probably went too far, he's learned a lesson, and won't mess with the Cleric like that again. And as a player, keep in mind that mantra: "[B]I am here to work WITH the party[/B]". Stuffypants might be a buzzkill, but he's not who you should be focusing your energy on defeating, overcoming, or messing with. Save that for the evil people whose scalps will soon be resting on yours. [/QUOTE]
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