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<blockquote data-quote="WarlockLord" data-source="post: 5885909" data-attributes="member: 40098">That's not a fix.&nbsp; Poor game design justified by &quot;they can make their own things&quot;&nbsp; is not a good thing.&nbsp; And again, we get back to our special heroes who are basically being told, no, you can't because...no.&nbsp; This isn't some &quot;I want to have all the money in the world&quot; wish, this is &quot;I want to play a creature I've seen in the world who follows its laws&quot;.&nbsp; If you were going to see a six-year-old kid's violin concert, and he had been struggling to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, and halfway through his rendition (missing half the notes), he suddenly went way up the fingerboard and starting playing Bruch?&nbsp; It's the exact same thing with your orc fighter who knows Whirlwind Attack but apparently can't do a basic parry.&nbsp; It doesn't make sense.&nbsp; Really, all the replies I'm seeing from the &quot;player's can't have nice things&quot; crowd seems to be &quot;well, we don't want people to have it, so we will screw them out of it on dubious roleplaying concerns.&quot;But hey, if your campaigns feature fifth level wizards throwing wail of the banshee on fifth level PCs, I guess they won't complain because it's too metagamey.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WarlockLord, post: 5885909, member: 40098"] That's not a fix. Poor game design justified by "they can make their own things" is not a good thing. And again, we get back to our special heroes who are basically being told, no, you can't because...no. This isn't some "I want to have all the money in the world" wish, this is "I want to play a creature I've seen in the world who follows its laws". If you were going to see a six-year-old kid's violin concert, and he had been struggling to play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, and halfway through his rendition (missing half the notes), he suddenly went way up the fingerboard and starting playing Bruch? It's the exact same thing with your orc fighter who knows Whirlwind Attack but apparently can't do a basic parry. It doesn't make sense. Really, all the replies I'm seeing from the "player's can't have nice things" crowd seems to be "well, we don't want people to have it, so we will screw them out of it on dubious roleplaying concerns." But hey, if your campaigns feature fifth level wizards throwing wail of the banshee on fifth level PCs, I guess they won't complain because it's too metagamey. [/QUOTE]

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