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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5892813" data-attributes="member: 6668292">See, that also seems to be a fundamental disconnect during these discussions. I at least understand where you, Hussar, etc. are coming from in these discussions. I keep getting &quot;I don't get it&quot; from Hussar (and now you). I think the discussion would be clearer if both sides could at least understand the other. Is there any way I can clear things up, on my end?I'd heartily agree that class-based systems make this harder.I'd argue there are good reasons to use the same tools to fundamentally build both (even if you can use a cheat sheet with strong guidelines to save time). But, that's where our opinion seems to differ. Of course there are good reasons to build PCs and NPCs differently. It just depends on perspective and goals. I think we differ in both of those areas.I've found that higher numbers help offset this (or even negate it), but action economy is a big concern. I don't much like the &quot;AC is low, HP needs to be whittled down&quot; approach to combat pacing that D&amp;D has always used, so my opinion on combat pacing is going to be largely divergent from what you or other people may want in a system.Disagree on a fundamental but theoretical level. I could easily accomplish this with my system, but it is point buy. I think I could rig a class system to do this, too, though. But, really, we've got different goals. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5892813, member: 6668292"] See, that also seems to be a fundamental disconnect during these discussions. I at least [I]understand[/I] where you, Hussar, etc. are coming from in these discussions. I keep getting "I don't get it" from Hussar (and now you). I think the discussion would be clearer if both sides could at least [I]understand[/I] the other. Is there any way I can clear things up, on my end? I'd heartily agree that class-based systems make this harder. I'd argue there are good reasons to use the same tools to fundamentally build both (even if you can use a cheat sheet with strong guidelines to save time). But, that's where our opinion seems to differ. Of [I]course[/I] there are good reasons to build PCs and NPCs differently. It just depends on perspective and goals. I think we differ in both of those areas. I've found that higher numbers help offset this (or even negate it), but action economy is a big concern. I don't much like the "AC is low, HP needs to be whittled down" approach to combat pacing that D&D has always used, so my opinion on combat pacing is going to be largely divergent from what you or other people may want in a system. Disagree on a fundamental but theoretical level. I could easily accomplish this with my system, but it is point buy. I think I could rig a class system to do this, too, though. But, really, we've got different goals. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]

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