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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 133638" data-attributes="member: 710">Hmm. i would never use a non casting bard, besides... Hey, I believe you should look for the skald. Someone developed a nice version of it. (I did also, but is is not only on these boards. You might look here: <a href="http://www.gweb.de/ttt/index.htm;" target="_blank">http://www.gweb.de/ttt/index.htm;</a> It is very similar - I stole the names of the power, but the effects were a little bit changed - )Taking away spells from the ranger may be compensated, as some stated, by giving him Fighter Bonus Feats as every level he would gain a new spell level. Taking away spells from the bard is difficult (besides his spell level progression, he is a &quot;real&quot; spell caster). Probably it would be easier to talk the rogue, and add the bards abilities (and add the missing class skills). Probably you should strip the rogue`s sneak attack. (You might also take away his special abilities and &quot;just&quot; make a slower sneak attack progression. Perhaps beginning at 2th leven and adding one d6 every 4 levels thereafter. Than take away the bonus abilities/feats beginning at 10th level)Perhaps you could also &quot;steal&quot; some ideas from the PHB, in the chapter &quot;description&quot; you will find some sentences about changing class features. In the DMG you will find some ideas about alternative classes (only the witch is presented there), and in Masters of the Wild you will see the variant ranger...Mustrum Ridcully</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 133638, member: 710"] Hmm. i would never use a non casting bard, besides... Hey, I believe you should look for the skald. Someone developed a nice version of it. (I did also, but is is not only on these boards. You might look here: [url]http://www.gweb.de/ttt/index.htm;[/url] It is very similar - I stole the names of the power, but the effects were a little bit changed - ) Taking away spells from the ranger may be compensated, as some stated, by giving him Fighter Bonus Feats as every level he would gain a new spell level. Taking away spells from the bard is difficult (besides his spell level progression, he is a "real" spell caster). Probably it would be easier to talk the rogue, and add the bards abilities (and add the missing class skills). Probably you should strip the rogue`s sneak attack. (You might also take away his special abilities and "just" make a slower sneak attack progression. Perhaps beginning at 2th leven and adding one d6 every 4 levels thereafter. Than take away the bonus abilities/feats beginning at 10th level) Perhaps you could also "steal" some ideas from the PHB, in the chapter "description" you will find some sentences about changing class features. In the DMG you will find some ideas about alternative classes (only the witch is presented there), and in Masters of the Wild you will see the variant ranger... Mustrum Ridcully [/QUOTE]

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