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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 919867" data-attributes="member: 4937">Gaiden: Yes, leaving aside some rules issues that is basically true.&nbsp; But, even so you are still talking about a very limited special circumstance feat.Most springy types I've encountered are rogues, or at least multi-classed rogue/fighter/duelists/shadow dancers in some combination.&nbsp; It is certainly not clear to me that attacking every other round (or half the time you are able) is worth a small bonus to hit.&nbsp; In most cases, I suspect that if you worked out the numbers the iterative attack sequence would do more damage than something with a small bonus to hit.&nbsp; Remember, a 20 always hits.&nbsp;&nbsp; Imagine the situation of a 3 attack character who needs a 10 on his first attack vs. something with 12 armor bonus.&nbsp;&nbsp; You are trading a single attack at a 80% chance of hitting, for one attack at 50%, one at 25%, and one at 5%.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's about a wash.&nbsp; Looking over the course of the whole cycle, you are basically trading one attack at 80% for two at 50% each, which is nearly a wash even under these 'good' circumstances.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't really think you are getting enough to justify the feat unless you are regularly facing +20 armor bonuses and for some reason can't match that with an attack bonus.Your mention of the Paladin's smite is worthy though.&nbsp; A paladin needs that smite to hit hard and every little bit will help, I just wonder whether a Paladin can afford the feat on his small feat budget.&nbsp; As far as the 'ride by attack' goes, all of that evading a round to study the foe opens you up to being charged and to missile fire.&nbsp; It doesn't do you much good (and I know it would do my NPC's very little good vs. the sort of PC's I usually have) to open up the distance like that if it is just going to draw a barrage of longbow fire and fireballs, nor are you really separating yourself if you have to spend that standard action plotting tactics unless you have a really fast mount.&nbsp;&nbsp; I know you aren't really getting separation by just being 'springy' (unless you have a movement enhancement).&nbsp; For this reason, I think the feat might have good synergy with anti-charge feats like 'hold the line' (which IMO as a DM is a good feat to take anyway if you plan to keep your front line fighter alive in the long run).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 919867, member: 4937"] Gaiden: Yes, leaving aside some rules issues that is basically true. But, even so you are still talking about a very limited special circumstance feat. Most springy types I've encountered are rogues, or at least multi-classed rogue/fighter/duelists/shadow dancers in some combination. It is certainly not clear to me that attacking every other round (or half the time you are able) is worth a small bonus to hit. In most cases, I suspect that if you worked out the numbers the iterative attack sequence would do more damage than something with a small bonus to hit. Remember, a 20 always hits. Imagine the situation of a 3 attack character who needs a 10 on his first attack vs. something with 12 armor bonus. You are trading a single attack at a 80% chance of hitting, for one attack at 50%, one at 25%, and one at 5%. That's about a wash. Looking over the course of the whole cycle, you are basically trading one attack at 80% for two at 50% each, which is nearly a wash even under these 'good' circumstances. I don't really think you are getting enough to justify the feat unless you are regularly facing +20 armor bonuses and for some reason can't match that with an attack bonus. Your mention of the Paladin's smite is worthy though. A paladin needs that smite to hit hard and every little bit will help, I just wonder whether a Paladin can afford the feat on his small feat budget. As far as the 'ride by attack' goes, all of that evading a round to study the foe opens you up to being charged and to missile fire. It doesn't do you much good (and I know it would do my NPC's very little good vs. the sort of PC's I usually have) to open up the distance like that if it is just going to draw a barrage of longbow fire and fireballs, nor are you really separating yourself if you have to spend that standard action plotting tactics unless you have a really fast mount. I know you aren't really getting separation by just being 'springy' (unless you have a movement enhancement). For this reason, I think the feat might have good synergy with anti-charge feats like 'hold the line' (which IMO as a DM is a good feat to take anyway if you plan to keep your front line fighter alive in the long run). [/QUOTE]

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