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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 950643" data-attributes="member: 1757">I hate to differ here, but I really don't see Imp Metamagic as broken. I agree with Psifon; it's the fox's cunning + Empower that are the problem. As is, most metamagic feats are suboptimal to use. There are exceptions; all of these exceptions involve Empower or Persistent Spell and problematic applications of same.Assume that you use the 3.5e fox's cunning. Now try to come up with a "broken" incantatrix combo. Well, you can do the following:1) Empower a simulacrum. There I'd say it's the spell, not the feat.2) Empower a fireball four times at 13th level. A 7th-level spell with a DC of (13 + ability modifier + Spell Focus feats) that does 30d6 damage, Reflex half. Compare with DBF (+4 save DC, can be delayed up to 5 rounds, 13d6 damage) or, better still, finger of death (+4 save DC, fail the save and you die). I think it's a fair trade.Oh, and Grog: Lots of PrCs have class abilities that are superior to epic feats, even good ones. WWA as a partial action (Weapon Master), divine grace (witch hunter, any cleric PrC with a prestige domain, mystic wanderer, blackguard, etc.), type change, charge + full attack, frenzy, supreme cleave... the list goes on. I really don't see Imp Metamagic as particularly broken, especially since it and Instant Metamagic are the defining features of the PrC. What I don't like is the fact that the Incantatrix gives up too little and gets a host of abilities in return. That, and the flavor is weak. I'd rather a straight-up metamage that loses spellcaster progression at 5th and 10th levels (drain item is worth the loss of a level, IMHO) and drops the death/energy drain immunity.</blockquote>

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