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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arcanus" data-source="post: 331178" data-attributes="member: 800">How about it you rule it this way:You have Expert Tact. & Knockdown with all the prerequisites.You also have 2 attacks a round due to BAB or Haste etc...(NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE FEATS ABOVE)Now you manage to do 10 points or more to said opponent on 1 attack, now you get to do a free attack which has to be a trip,lets say you win then trip opposed roles, now he is ON HIS WAY to the ground, While all of this is happening in a 6 second time frame you make your last attack from BAB or from Expert Tact. etc... and you smack him good while he is UNBALANCED allowing no Dex bonus but you can't have your +4 prone bonus because he isn't on the floor yet.Your Knockdown feat gives you a free trip.You win the trip. Opponent on the way to ground.If you have Expert Tact. and he has lost his Dex becuase of the unbalancing issues while falling you smack him again.I dunno know what you think about it but I would not give anyone the no Dex thing on a tripped opponent unless the following criteria can be satisfied.1. Attacker has more than 1 attack to begin with OR Expert Tact.2. Opponent chose to use his Dexterity modifier to oppose the trip and lost. If so then he shows the he is not agile enough and that he COULD be off-balance3. He only looses (MAYBE) his Dex bonus to the attacker nobody else get that advantage.4. The attack is made from Expert Tact. without the prone bonus becuase he is hitting him as he falls to the ground.5. If you had more than 1 attack to begin with and Expert Tact. then you can get the prone hit against him after you make your No DEX to AC Attack as explained in #4.I see the Knockdown feat as not really grabbing a foot to trip but hitting him hard enough to knock him over and you are using your strength etc... to keep following through to get him down.I might not have explained it correctly in my opinion as it only is.OR......... I might just be talking out my ass just to hear a funny noise.</blockquote>

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