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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 332217" data-attributes="member: 4036">As KD pointed out, there are a couple of powerful abilities that knockdown has been ruled to have that you have missed.1) You don't need a trip weapon to use knockdown.&nbsp; If you have one good, but a great club will work just as well as an unarmed strike to deck someone.&nbsp; 10 points of damage is the only prerequisite.2)&nbsp; As it is not a trip so much as knocking someone down with damage (decided by using the trip mechanic) not only do you not get the improved trip follow up attack (as clarified in errata) but you also do not provide a counter trip attempt if you fail.&nbsp; There was no tug of war with the legs to allow it.&nbsp; It was a single blow to the right place (maybe the crook of a hip or the side or back of a knee) that had the chance to send the foe sprawling.&nbsp; No counter trips.And as I pointed out in my monk example above, it is still a powerful and useful feat even when used with the proper errata.&nbsp; Without it, you may acquire some dirty looks from your gaming fellows.&nbsp; Especially when one of them looks up the errata and founds you have been doing it wrong.Might want to go check out the Official D&amp;D FAQ.<a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/er/er20020726a" target="_blank">Link to FAQ</a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeremy, post: 332217, member: 4036"] As KD pointed out, there are a couple of powerful abilities that knockdown has been ruled to have that you have missed. 1) You don't need a trip weapon to use knockdown. If you have one good, but a great club will work just as well as an unarmed strike to deck someone. 10 points of damage is the only prerequisite. 2) As it is not a trip so much as knocking someone down with damage (decided by using the trip mechanic) not only do you not get the improved trip follow up attack (as clarified in errata) but you also do not provide a counter trip attempt if you fail. There was no tug of war with the legs to allow it. It was a single blow to the right place (maybe the crook of a hip or the side or back of a knee) that had the chance to send the foe sprawling. No counter trips. And as I pointed out in my monk example above, it is still a powerful and useful feat even when used with the proper errata. Without it, you may acquire some dirty looks from your gaming fellows. Especially when one of them looks up the errata and founds you have been doing it wrong. Might want to go check out the Official D&D FAQ. [url=http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/er/er20020726a]Link to FAQ[/url] [/QUOTE]

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