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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Khorod" data-source="post: 560731" data-attributes="member: 1636">Well, this ranger is actually d8 hd, last I checked.I suppose standard D&D is in dungeons- though neither Jason nor I favor the inexplicable dungeon under every rock.  That would be a good reason to multiclass the ranger.Favored terrains enforce what the ranger is- a guy at home in the wilderness.  Not just any wilderness, but the lands in which he has trained, studied, and adventured.  While different flora & fauna might impede him, a Forest terrain is going to be a forest terrain, and so maybe a temporary circumstance penalty would be in order.The very idea of the ranger is that their is a variety of prime terrains, and that the ranger spends time in them.  Obviously, this class doesn't cut it as a planeswalking ranger- that should be a prestige class I suppose.  Taking the Abyss as a special favored terrain is not meant to make the Abyss as a whole less important than the Prime Material- in most campaigns (i would think) the Abyss will not be visited as often as plains.  The Abyss, the Nine Hells, and so on are probably visited as often as any given type of terrain, once you're of a level to go bopping to the planes to kill demons every now and again.  If a campaign becomes centered on such planes, maybe the terrains should be broken up- perhaps by the various regions and layers Outer Planes are so often broken up into.The idea of this ranger is that 1) He's good outdoors, and 2) He likes being outdoors.  The Wizard has a comparable weakness, for wizards don't like being in melee combat.  As a result you need to have dedicated warriors or magic around to prevent them from getting killed.  So, outside of the wilderness, the ranger needs magic and people skilled in dungeons and politics.The real question is, can this ranger contribute something worthwhile no matter what, and does he shine where he is supposed to?I have to ask, if you take out all 'Favored Things' from the ranger, why not just play a Fighter/Rogue, pulling out the social skills in exchange for Wilderness Lore?  What other class powers would be good here?   In thinking about it, I find that most potential powers would be better suited to a nature-warrior prestige class...</blockquote>

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