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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shurai" data-source="post: 896831">What's their hit die?  I forget.  If it's d6, that might do a lot to balance the class.The prereqs are very high, though it's true that they're all worth having/automatic class features anyway.  Except for Quick Draw, which I can't see a monk really needing.In any case, since they got errata'd back quite a bit (two saves taken down, bab down to rogue), I think they're playable, but a little too powerful.  To me, this class is the kind you'd really want to balance with roleplaying by inflicting lots of organizational control on the character, and making the class difficult to get into RP-wise.  The other thing to remember is that characters can't really take this class until 9th level.  That's pretty high, so it's okay that the PrC has some powerful abilities.  In my mind, most of the class features are a little underpowered by themselves so I really don't care that they get a lot of them.For instance, everybody can finagle really good armor and a really high dex anyway, so giving the class the monk wisdom-to-AC thing is essentially irrelevant.  Giving people another place to blow ability-boosting magic items is just fine with me, because getting your AC up is more efficient in other ways anyway.  Truthfully I don't really think the ninja deserves the monk-like progressive bonus to AC; it would be nice if this class had a serious combat weakness besides the low hit points.Poison use is definitely really cool, as are the spell-like abilities, but those are really the only seriously powerful abilities the class gets, it seems to me.  What really annoys me is that I can see a relatively cheeseball Ninja standing up to a Fighter in straight-up melee, and that Should Not Be.  Historically, a ninja fighting a samurai who was aware of him was, more often than not, a dead ninja.Yeah, I played in a game with a guy who didn't know about the errata . . . he really complained a lot about when I took him to school on the issue.  It was fun.  : ]-S</blockquote>

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