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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 456401" data-attributes="member: 6875">People ARE remembering that the Quck Loading weapon enhancement also gives a 100-shot extradimensional magazine to drw from, right?  That's not a small advantage.Who says the spellcaster is -out- of spells?  Perhaps his or her spells are best saved for later use (clerics high on DEX but low on STR, who thus tend towards ranged, crossbow attacks when in combat).Also, you presuppose that the characters can freely rest as often as they want, wherever they happen to be.  Sometimes, in fact not infrequently, there are other reasons they -cannot- rest (time limits to get to a certain place and/or do a certain thing; in the middle of hostile territory, surrounded by slavering evil badguys; etc, etc).  I say, that presupposition is inherently flawed, even false.And, especially at lower levels, one person with a crossbow in a party of four is NOT doing "less than 5%" of the per-round average damage the party can deal to a foe.  I'd say, given the probably-correct assumption that the crossbow character is not a warrior, and given the "traditional" party of "one rogue, one arcane spellcaster, one cleric, and one warrior-type" .... the fighter and rogue should account, between them, for about two-thirds of all non-spell-based damage the party deals, overall.  Of the remaining one-third, the cleric will likely deal out a bit more, as a cleric's BAB is slightly superior to that of a Wizard or Sorceror.So, just under one-sixth, if the crossbow user is an arcane spellcaster, just OVER one-sixth if the crossbow user is a cleric, or perhaps bard.  Just short of one-third, if the crossbow user is a rogue, maneuvering for sneak attack damage as often as possible; we'll grant that for STR10+ fighters, a longbow would be a superior choice.None of those is even within spitting distance of "less than 5%", which would amount to under one-twentieth or less, of the damage dealt.My first 3E character was a Sorceror; at low/mid level (say, around 5th), he used his crossbow about 1/5 of the time -- despite having decent combat-applicable spells (sleep, glitterdust, melf's acid arrow, etc).  Another 1/5 of the time, he was forced to actually enter melee (which is why he carried a Shortspear), often due to the party being caught in tight confined spaces, with enemies on all open sides.I only WISH Rapid Reload was available at the time he turned 3d level, I'd've gladly put that on my "want" list ...</blockquote>

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