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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 705229" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>You assume that the target has the best save in every category, has a 30 Con, has a luckstone +5, which does not exist in the core rules, and is immune to his primary school of spells.</p><p></p><p>Sure, if you <strong>cheat</strong> you can make something that has a 50/50 chance of living past the first spell. Bravo. </p><p></p><p>Now try something that's actually in the core rules + FRCS. LOL.</p><p></p><p>Let's check the MM.</p><p></p><p>Old Blue Dragon, CR 18. +21 Fort Save. Even with a Ring of Resistance +5, it's dead on anything less than a 19. </p><p></p><p>Great Wyrm Red Dragon, CR 25. +32 Fort Save, SR of 32. Add a +5 Ring of Resistance, and it saves on an 8 or better. The wizard ignores it's Spell Resistance, and still has a 35% chance of killing it with one spell. </p><p></p><p>Of course, the wizard could soften it up with an Enervation or Energy Drain first, and then use a Save or Die spell. (This assumes that the dragon doesn't kill the wizard during the first round or two.) So a creature that is CR 25 might be able to prove a serious challenge for the 18th level wizard. A creature that is supposed to be a challenge for four 25th level characters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 705229, member: 284"] You assume that the target has the best save in every category, has a 30 Con, has a luckstone +5, which does not exist in the core rules, and is immune to his primary school of spells. Sure, if you [b]cheat[/b] you can make something that has a 50/50 chance of living past the first spell. Bravo. Now try something that's actually in the core rules + FRCS. LOL. Let's check the MM. Old Blue Dragon, CR 18. +21 Fort Save. Even with a Ring of Resistance +5, it's dead on anything less than a 19. Great Wyrm Red Dragon, CR 25. +32 Fort Save, SR of 32. Add a +5 Ring of Resistance, and it saves on an 8 or better. The wizard ignores it's Spell Resistance, and still has a 35% chance of killing it with one spell. Of course, the wizard could soften it up with an Enervation or Energy Drain first, and then use a Save or Die spell. (This assumes that the dragon doesn't kill the wizard during the first round or two.) So a creature that is CR 25 might be able to prove a serious challenge for the 18th level wizard. A creature that is supposed to be a challenge for four 25th level characters. [/QUOTE]
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