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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 780416" data-attributes="member: 6239">After playing a duelist, I have to say I like it.  It balances relatively well against a tank.  Less damage output for more AC.Celebrim:I don't agree with the argument against the class that it is just a repackaged fighter.  A fighter can not survive effectively outside of armor past a few levels.  Canny dodge gets around that limitation.  The idea that some abilities should be feats is ill-considered, in my opinion.  Monks would get more use out it than the general fighter.  This PrCl fulfills the role of making a statistically weak concept viable.As for the problems, I don't like a specific weapon proficiency, but something is needed to separate the class's defense from a martial artists defense.  It is possible to combine them, but only after a lot of training.I also agree that  other character concepts should have access to canny-dodge.  But the PrC is a focus on one concept.  If you believe this PrC has too many abilities, what do you think of monk? Duelist is a good PrC as far as they go.</blockquote>