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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bret" data-source="post: 692002" data-attributes="member: 713">Assuming a non-human wizard, by 7th level you have:Scribe Scroll3 General feats (1st, 3rd, 6th)1 Wizard feat (5th)Of those feats, you have to spend 3 of them to qualify for the PrC.I would say that 75% of your feats is a significant investment.There is only one divination cantrip. By my count, there are only 15 total divination spells of levels 1-4 in the PHB.You have to have slightly less than half of all the divinations available. Sounds like a pretty big investment. Only one of those (the cantrip) is truely free, since in all the other cases you could have scribed a different spell.I agree that this isn't a problem for a Diviner, but any other spellcaster will find it to have a cost. It will affect their spell choices.All wizards try to max out Spellcraft and Concentration in my experience. Knowledge: Arcana often falls behind.Not all wizards are human, using a human (who gets extra skill points) doesn't do much to show that there isn't a cost. It does more to showcase the advantages of that race.I respectfully disagree.I'm playing a half-elf diviner right now that I'm working towards Loremaster. I have had to make compromises in order to do it.I find the requirements for Loremaster to be on par with any other PrC for Arcane Spellcasters. You give up Familiar Advancement and a meta-magic feat or two in order to get the package. The feats and skills are the main requirement in this case.If you don't value familiar advancement or flexibility in feat selection, then the costs are low. If you would have liked to have Greater Spell Focus and Greater Spell Penetration (neither of which are metamagic feats) by 10th level, then they are way too high.I don't think the costs are horrible, but they are definately there.</blockquote>

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