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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 692617" data-attributes="member: 307"><p></p><p></p><p>Given that one of those feats essentially <em>must</em> be spent on the prerequisites anyway (the 5th level feat being limited to item creation or metamagic feats to begin with), it isn't nearly as much of a sacrifice as you claim. Given that most wizards will pick up a metamagic/item creation feat or two on the way anyway, it is a small price, basically boiling down to a single Skill Focus feat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And many of them are among the most useful spells in the game. True Strike, Detect Secret Doors, See Invisibility, Detect Scrying, Detect Thoughts, Scry and so on are quite useful. Combine that with Detect Poison and you have the 7 divinations requirement, and you haven't obtained any spell that is not going to be useful on a regular basis.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You could, but in many cases it would have been less useful than the divination, or at least only as useful. Almost any wizard should have at least a half dozen divinations in his spell book by 7th level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A single skill point per level. Making the same character an elf, you could max out Concentration, Spellcraft, Scry, Knowledge (Arcana), and Knowledge (Other) and lose almost no effectiveness.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Minor compromises. You overstate the requirements.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is difficult to get both of those by 10th level in any case unless you are human. As a nonhuman you would have to devote all of your feats to this pursuit.</p><p></p><p>Complaining about the requirements to be a Loremaster in this way is a bit like complaining that you cannot get Great Cleave as quickly if you pursue the Whirlwind Attack feat chain.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 692617, member: 307"] [B][/b] Given that one of those feats essentially [i]must[/i] be spent on the prerequisites anyway (the 5th level feat being limited to item creation or metamagic feats to begin with), it isn't nearly as much of a sacrifice as you claim. Given that most wizards will pick up a metamagic/item creation feat or two on the way anyway, it is a small price, basically boiling down to a single Skill Focus feat. And many of them are among the most useful spells in the game. True Strike, Detect Secret Doors, See Invisibility, Detect Scrying, Detect Thoughts, Scry and so on are quite useful. Combine that with Detect Poison and you have the 7 divinations requirement, and you haven't obtained any spell that is not going to be useful on a regular basis. You could, but in many cases it would have been less useful than the divination, or at least only as useful. Almost any wizard should have at least a half dozen divinations in his spell book by 7th level. A single skill point per level. Making the same character an elf, you could max out Concentration, Spellcraft, Scry, Knowledge (Arcana), and Knowledge (Other) and lose almost no effectiveness. Minor compromises. You overstate the requirements. It is difficult to get both of those by 10th level in any case unless you are human. As a nonhuman you would have to devote all of your feats to this pursuit. Complaining about the requirements to be a Loremaster in this way is a bit like complaining that you cannot get Great Cleave as quickly if you pursue the Whirlwind Attack feat chain. [/QUOTE]
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