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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6425917" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>And then you are no longer a magical diplomat, just a regular diplomat who can also do magic.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But I really miss the kitty...</p><p></p><p></p><p>I just want to be able to say again "hey, this is my sorceress, think of her as the party rogue because she will be doing that function and nothing else", and not have the party regret it, or the wizard freely invading my niche and outdoing me at it. This was possible in 3e, and better at late 3.5. If I tried that in 5e, peer pressure would force me to either have an actual rogue or roll a wizard who could have room to spare in order to also be useful in combat. A non-blasty sorcerer simply doesn't bring enough to the table to be easily accepted. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Not that I remember, but that isn't important, the important fact is that I can. I know it is a cosmetic and symbolic detail, but just knowing you as a sorcerer can do it is more than enough, and killing enemies with your own hands (using a scythe) is still satisfying. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why do you keep saying these mean things? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/cry.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":.-(" title="Cry :.-(" data-shortname=":.-(" /> Is it so wrong I just enjoy the game for the drama, the adventure and the camaraderie? </p><p></p><p>And one thing is having baggage and other having unwanted baggage. The wizard baggage is the one I cannot stand. I wouldn't play that kind of characters even if you paid me. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Welcome to enworld!!</p><p></p><p>It isn't my class satisfaction hinges on that very small detail, but that that small detail is the very last straw. Previous editions sorcerers had many problems, but simple weapons were the minimum thing I came to expect from the class. No matter how hard the designers screwed up the class as long as the sorcerer had Cha casting, no books, no prep, and simple weapons they couldn't go that wrong. The 5e sorcerer feels like one step ahead and ten steps backwards in this -they took away the sorcerers' pets, weapons, utility, and their one competitive advantage without being properly compensated for it. I've got many complaints for the sorcerer class, the biggest one is they weren't open for input like with most other classes. And it gets worse, they let you have a spear in your starting equipment, but they won't let you be any good with it. This is the only class for what it is true. </p><p></p><p>And you could be decent hitting things, not fighter-good, but decent. </p><p></p><p>(And yes Hennet wasn't the best role model, but he had something that made the class attractive, he was confident, flamboyant and looked strong. Just by seeing him you notice he is no frail wizard)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6425917, member: 6689464"] And then you are no longer a magical diplomat, just a regular diplomat who can also do magic. But I really miss the kitty... I just want to be able to say again "hey, this is my sorceress, think of her as the party rogue because she will be doing that function and nothing else", and not have the party regret it, or the wizard freely invading my niche and outdoing me at it. This was possible in 3e, and better at late 3.5. If I tried that in 5e, peer pressure would force me to either have an actual rogue or roll a wizard who could have room to spare in order to also be useful in combat. A non-blasty sorcerer simply doesn't bring enough to the table to be easily accepted. Not that I remember, but that isn't important, the important fact is that I can. I know it is a cosmetic and symbolic detail, but just knowing you as a sorcerer can do it is more than enough, and killing enemies with your own hands (using a scythe) is still satisfying. Why do you keep saying these mean things? :.-( Is it so wrong I just enjoy the game for the drama, the adventure and the camaraderie? And one thing is having baggage and other having unwanted baggage. The wizard baggage is the one I cannot stand. I wouldn't play that kind of characters even if you paid me. Welcome to enworld!! It isn't my class satisfaction hinges on that very small detail, but that that small detail is the very last straw. Previous editions sorcerers had many problems, but simple weapons were the minimum thing I came to expect from the class. No matter how hard the designers screwed up the class as long as the sorcerer had Cha casting, no books, no prep, and simple weapons they couldn't go that wrong. The 5e sorcerer feels like one step ahead and ten steps backwards in this -they took away the sorcerers' pets, weapons, utility, and their one competitive advantage without being properly compensated for it. I've got many complaints for the sorcerer class, the biggest one is they weren't open for input like with most other classes. And it gets worse, they let you have a spear in your starting equipment, but they won't let you be any good with it. This is the only class for what it is true. And you could be decent hitting things, not fighter-good, but decent. (And yes Hennet wasn't the best role model, but he had something that made the class attractive, he was confident, flamboyant and looked strong. Just by seeing him you notice he is no frail wizard) [/QUOTE]
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