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<blockquote data-quote="Mark Chance" data-source="post: 820914" data-attributes="member: 2795"><p>Funny. 10 years ago I was still playing D&D. More than I do now. D&D wasn't dead. TSR was.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bob going out of business doesn't affect my game. Every Bob going out of business doesn't affect my game. I can dust off my 1E D&D books tomorrow and starting playing like it was still 1977.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but it doesn't wash. The distributors (read: the FLGS) are not the market. <em>We</em>, the consumers, are the market.</p><p></p><p>TSR didn't go out business because local game stores were crushed by those evil massive discounters. TSR went out of business because it had a lousy business model putting out substandard products. And, when TSR went under, the market (read: the consumers) for D&D did not vanish. We went shopping someplace else.</p><p></p><p>The market for RPG books would not vanish if every single FLGS in the world were beamed up to Neptune tomorrow. The market would shift to another form of distribution in order to meet the <u>already existing</u> demand. IOW, if all the FLGS were to vanish tomorrow, Amazon and other major book distributors would be the first in line to meet the <u>already existing</u> demand and provide to gamers the books that gamers are asking for.</p><p></p><p>Here's a basic fact of economics: The real price of a good or service is what someone is willing to pay for it. If the asking price is higher than what most people are willing to pay for it, then the asking price is not the real price. If lowering the asking price to the real price leads to nonprofitability, there is a problem with the product and/or its marketing (at least with the context of the current economic situation).</p><p></p><p>But, once again, I'm not saying RPG books are overpriced. I'm saying <em>I</em> can't afford cover price for them. So I buy them for less than cover price.</p><p></p><p>And me doing so is not hurting the market because I am, in part, the market itself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark Chance, post: 820914, member: 2795"] Funny. 10 years ago I was still playing D&D. More than I do now. D&D wasn't dead. TSR was. Bob going out of business doesn't affect my game. Every Bob going out of business doesn't affect my game. I can dust off my 1E D&D books tomorrow and starting playing like it was still 1977. Sorry, but it doesn't wash. The distributors (read: the FLGS) are not the market. [i]We[/i], the consumers, are the market. TSR didn't go out business because local game stores were crushed by those evil massive discounters. TSR went out of business because it had a lousy business model putting out substandard products. And, when TSR went under, the market (read: the consumers) for D&D did not vanish. We went shopping someplace else. The market for RPG books would not vanish if every single FLGS in the world were beamed up to Neptune tomorrow. The market would shift to another form of distribution in order to meet the [u]already existing[/u] demand. IOW, if all the FLGS were to vanish tomorrow, Amazon and other major book distributors would be the first in line to meet the [u]already existing[/u] demand and provide to gamers the books that gamers are asking for. Here's a basic fact of economics: The real price of a good or service is what someone is willing to pay for it. If the asking price is higher than what most people are willing to pay for it, then the asking price is not the real price. If lowering the asking price to the real price leads to nonprofitability, there is a problem with the product and/or its marketing (at least with the context of the current economic situation). But, once again, I'm not saying RPG books are overpriced. I'm saying [i]I[/i] can't afford cover price for them. So I buy them for less than cover price. And me doing so is not hurting the market because I am, in part, the market itself. [/QUOTE]
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