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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 5205560" data-attributes="member: 31734">A +2 temporary circumstance bonus to climbing checks sounds reasonable, but not for anyone who is actually training in Athletics.&nbsp; I mean, really, that's what the +5 is supposed to represent.&nbsp; Now, does it make sense to give everyone else +2 and step on their toes?&nbsp; Not sure.The real problem is that you will have to make a judgment call.&nbsp; Maybe you know enough about climbing to say whether this makes sense.&nbsp; But, the precedent it sets (a slippery slope) is tough.&nbsp; Your &quot;smothering fires&quot; extension is an example of this.&nbsp; No way would I allow &quot;smothering fires&quot; to grant +2 to anything.&nbsp; That's just plain ridiculous.In the end, it all amounts to an opportunity cost.&nbsp; Any training they undertake has to have a cost.&nbsp; People will not spend a week of their lives training you for free.&nbsp; Anyone who is trained is not necessarily trained as a trainer, so I don't buy that the party member with Athletics can do this.&nbsp; Plus, there are equipment costs, etc.&nbsp; All of these costs should effectively amount to some item or items (consumables?) that would grant +2 over the course of the adventure.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 5205560, member: 31734"] A +2 temporary circumstance bonus to climbing checks sounds reasonable, but not for anyone who is actually training in Athletics. I mean, really, that's what the +5 is supposed to represent. Now, does it make sense to give everyone else +2 and step on their toes? Not sure. The real problem is that you will have to make a judgment call. Maybe you know enough about climbing to say whether this makes sense. But, the precedent it sets (a slippery slope) is tough. Your "smothering fires" extension is an example of this. No way would I allow "smothering fires" to grant +2 to anything. That's just plain ridiculous. In the end, it all amounts to an opportunity cost. Any training they undertake has to have a cost. People will not spend a week of their lives training you for free. Anyone who is trained is not necessarily trained as a trainer, so I don't buy that the party member with Athletics can do this. Plus, there are equipment costs, etc. All of these costs should effectively amount to some item or items (consumables?) that would grant +2 over the course of the adventure. [/QUOTE]

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