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Message: <blockquote data-quote="d4" data-source="post: 1100089" data-attributes="member: 12699">it's nowhere near as lethal as GURPS or any of several other games on the market. d20 is one of the most nonlethal systems i've played over the years.i'm really trying to understand your point, arcady, but you keep talking about the players having "ownership" of the story... i just don't see how my style is any different in that respect. the PCs are the heroes, it's their story, they own it. i give them chances to shine and be heroic.i'm in total agreement. did you honestly think i don't have the same thing happening in my campaign? it's not my story. it's the players' story. they are the heroes and they drive the action.i don't quite understand how one follows from the other. so by fudging and having a less lethal campaign, that makes it the DM's story and not the players'? i don't get understand that line of thinking. i facilitate their heroics. i set up an environment in which their characters can achieve things they've only read about in books or seen on a movie screen. i'm allowing the players to assume the roles of larger-than-life figures. i don't see how that suddenly makes it my story over their's.quite the opposite in fact. if the party gets wiped out by a random encounter with a group of orcs, then it's the orcs' story and not the players'. and who is playing the orcs?firstly, i have. i would not wish to play in their games. they do not suit my style. secondly, i have seen just as intense role-play in my own campaigns. i've seen much more intense role-play in low-lethality campaigns than i have ever seen in high-lethality campaigns. this has been a constant across my 20 years of gaming.as i've said before, i feel more for my characters in low-lethality games. as soon as the body count starts to rise, my emotional attachment to the character and the game drops to zero. i am a different kind of gamer than you.i used to think like you do now, arcady. i used to think that without death being held over your head, you weren't having a "proper" role-playing game. i switched to my current style and i find i am enjoying gaming more than i ever have in my life.</blockquote>

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