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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5040834" data-attributes="member: 18280">In the 1e PHB, Mr.Gygax warns players that there may exist tricks or traps that can deposit them into more dangerous areas, and suggests methods to counter them.&nbsp; I have encountered such tricks and traps as a player, and have run the same as a GM.&nbsp; In both cases, it is my firm experience that player choice matters.Mind you, your above statements could apply to chess as well.&nbsp; If one assumes that, given any specific configuration of the board, there is always a &quot;best move&quot;, then one can claim that a chess player makes no meaningful decisions -- he either makes the best move, which is meaningless because it is the only logical choice, or he makes a substandard move, which is meaningless because it is not the best move.You can follow that line of reasoning until you have confirmed that nothing has any meaning whatsoever, but frankly that is somewhere I would rather not go.&nbsp; Suffice it to say, we differ in our experience and opinion as to what constitutes meaningful choice.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5040834, member: 18280"] In the 1e PHB, Mr.Gygax warns players that there may exist tricks or traps that can deposit them into more dangerous areas, and suggests methods to counter them. I have encountered such tricks and traps as a player, and have run the same as a GM. In both cases, it is my firm experience that player choice matters. Mind you, your above statements could apply to chess as well. If one assumes that, given any specific configuration of the board, there is always a "best move", then one can claim that a chess player makes no meaningful decisions -- he either makes the best move, which is meaningless because it is the only logical choice, or he makes a substandard move, which is meaningless because it is not the best move. You can follow that line of reasoning until you have confirmed that nothing has any meaning whatsoever, but frankly that is somewhere I would rather not go. Suffice it to say, we differ in our experience and opinion as to what constitutes meaningful choice. RC [/QUOTE]

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