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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnBiles" data-source="post: 4322560" data-attributes="member: 63128">Some monsters are, some are not.  To take Keep on the Shadowfell as an example:The first encounter has:Slinger (Artillery 1, HP 24, AC 13/Fortitude 12/Reflex 14/Will 12)5 Minions (AC 15/Fort 11/Ref 13/Will 11, all defenses drop 2 if not next to another Kobold)2 Dragonshields (Soldier 1, HP 36, AC 18, Fort 14, Ref 13, Will 13)Turk was the Fighter PC of one of my players (Str 16, Con 16, 31 HP, AC 17, Fort 15, Ref 11, Will 13, Maul:  +6 to hit, 2d6 +3 damage, At-Wills:  Cleave, Reaping Strike)Turk needs a 7 or better to hit a Slinger, 9 or better to hit a minion (and with Cleave, he can kill 2 minions with one attack), 11 or better to hit the Dragonshield.Dr. Orpheus is a Tiefling Warlock with an 18 Con.  His eldritch blast and Hellish Rebuke At-wills target Reflex with +4 to hit, +5 if he's closer to the target than any other PC or if the target is bloodied.  (+6 if both apply).  Under normal conditions, he hits the Slinger on a 10, the Minions on a 9 or higher, and the Dragonshield on a 9 or higher.  To take a higher level example, <a href="http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=9038297&postcount=53" target="_blank">Katherine </a>  is an 11th level rogue, multi-classed to Wizard.  Her at-will attacks:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ray of Frost (Ranged 10, +8 vs. Fortitude, 1d6 + 3 Cold and Slow (save ends), Crit: 9 and Slow (save ends)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+3 Vicious Shortsword--Deft Strike (Move 2 squares before attack, +15 vs AC, 1d6+10, Crit: 16+3d12)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+3 Vicious Shortsword--Sly Flourish (+15 vs. AC, 1d6+13, Crit: 19+3d12)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+2 Frost Shortsword--Deft Strike (Move 2 squares before attack, +14 vs. AC, 1d6+9 Cold or Normal, Crit: 15+2d6 Cold or Normal)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+2 Frost Shortsword--Sly Flourish(+14 vs. AC, 1d6+12 Cold or Normal, Crit: 18+2d6 Cold or Normal)</li> </ul>She faces a Snaketongue Celebrant (11 Controller, AC 24; Fortitude 22, Reflex 20, Will 24), a Dire Bear (11 Elite Brute, AC 25; Fortitude 25, Reflex 22, Will 23), A Drow Warrior (11 Lurker, AC 24; Fortitude 20, Reflex 22, Will 19), a Legion Devil Hellguard (11 Minion, AC 27; Fortitude 23, Reflex 22, Will 22; raise all defenses by 2 if adjacent to another LDH), and a Chain Devil (11 Skirmisher, AC 25; Fortitude 22, Reflex 24, Will 19).Her Ray of Frost hits the Celebrant on 14 or more, the Dire Bear on 15 or more, the Drow on a 12 or more, the Legion Devil on a 15 or more, and the Chain Devil on a 14 or more.  But it's from her secondary class.With her melee attacks, she often will have +2 from combat advantage and do bonus damage of 3d8.  We'll calculate with and without it.To hit the Celebrant with her +3 Vicious Shortsword with either of her at-wills is 9 or better.  To hit the Dire Bear is a 10 or more.  To hit the Drow is a 9 or more.  To hit the Legion Devil is 12 or more, and to hit the Chain Devil is 10 or more.  This rises by 1 if she's hitting with her +2 Frost Shortsword and drops by 2 if she has combat advantage.Fighting things above your level will quickly hurt your odds:  Up against a Blackspawn Gloomweb (Level 16 Lurker, AC 30; Fortitude 26, Reflex 27, Will 20), even Katherine's best at-wills drop to hitting on a 15 or better or 13 if she's got combat advantage..</blockquote>

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