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<blockquote data-quote="Zigmutt" data-source="post: 403157" data-attributes="member: 1629">Echoing what i said earlier- that would only be fair for the low ECL races.&nbsp; Penalizing the higher ECL races by lowering their PT buy would weaken them very much in the beginning.&nbsp; It might level out in the end, but at the earlier classes, the standard race would be a lot better off than the better ones.&nbsp; Ex:human ftr 4 with 32 pt buy:str 17 (16+1 lvl)dex 12con 14int 12wis 12cha 10HP- 30feats: 5skill pt: 21ECL +2 race (lvl 2 ftr): with 28 pt buystr 18= (16+2 lvl)dex 10con 14int 10wis 10cha 10HP: 15feats: 3skills: 10losing out on dex, and int, the -4 really makes a difference (assuming that he gets extra and super abilities- not stat adjustments).&nbsp; But if he gets other things like DR, SR, elemental resistance, nat armor, then it would even out at the end- but right now- he has 1/2 the HP, 1/2 the SP, and 1/2 the feats.&nbsp; And also his BAB and saves are lower too.&nbsp; And if the straight core fighter chooses feats to enhance these things (iron will) then he will be much better than the guy with higher ECL.So races with scalijng benefits should be docked on a regular basis in order to keep them in line with the core races.&nbsp; EX- a ECL+2 gives you a spell like abil at every 3 levels.&nbsp; (1,3,6,9) like feats.&nbsp; At those levels, if you are a noncaster, you can forgo your skill pouints, in accepting the abilities-Or in the case of a fighter- a feat. If you are a spell caster- you have to give up a spell slot to get the spell like ability.&nbsp; Or you can choose not to use that abiolity and keep all your own class benefits.&nbsp; In addition to starting at a lower pt buy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zigmutt, post: 403157, member: 1629"] Echoing what i said earlier- that would only be fair for the low ECL races. Penalizing the higher ECL races by lowering their PT buy would weaken them very much in the beginning. It might level out in the end, but at the earlier classes, the standard race would be a lot better off than the better ones. Ex: human ftr 4 with 32 pt buy: str 17 (16+1 lvl) dex 12 con 14 int 12 wis 12 cha 10 HP- 30 feats: 5 skill pt: 21 ECL +2 race (lvl 2 ftr): with 28 pt buy str 18= (16+2 lvl) dex 10 con 14 int 10 wis 10 cha 10 HP: 15 feats: 3 skills: 10 losing out on dex, and int, the -4 really makes a difference (assuming that he gets extra and super abilities- not stat adjustments). But if he gets other things like DR, SR, elemental resistance, nat armor, then it would even out at the end- but right now- he has 1/2 the HP, 1/2 the SP, and 1/2 the feats. And also his BAB and saves are lower too. And if the straight core fighter chooses feats to enhance these things (iron will) then he will be much better than the guy with higher ECL. So races with scalijng benefits should be docked on a regular basis in order to keep them in line with the core races. EX- a ECL+2 gives you a spell like abil at every 3 levels. (1,3,6,9) like feats. At those levels, if you are a noncaster, you can forgo your skill pouints, in accepting the abilities-Or in the case of a fighter- a feat. If you are a spell caster- you have to give up a spell slot to get the spell like ability. Or you can choose not to use that abiolity and keep all your own class benefits. In addition to starting at a lower pt buy. [/QUOTE]

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