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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DarkSong" data-source="post: 403711" data-attributes="member: 4676">Chun-tzu: That might not be a bad idea, to inflict some other, non-point related penalty...my only concern is in making the system too cumbersome, which is really something I'd rather avoid.Also, part of the point of going with point cost instead of ECL is to allow fine tuning, since all ECL+1 races are not created equal...for example, I don't think the Water Genasi is any better than a dwarf, and certainly not as good as an Aasimar or Tiefling, so that's a place where I would want to assign differing point values to otherwise "identical" ECL+1 races.Zigmutt:The whole point of using point buy points in place of ECL was to, well, use it in place of ECL. In your examples, if looks like you're penalizing more powerful races with both lower point buy totals, *and* ECL, which seems a little extreme, and might not be what you intended.I do think it's a good point that some races scale up in power, especially the higher ECL ones...that's why I wanted to work this system out for the "common" ECL races (+1 and +2, mostly), and worry about the higher ones later...the idea of traded offs appealing though..."Sure, your half-fiend fighter can gain the unholy blight ability, if he gives up his feat at 8th level."Skaros:You would have to come up with something to deal with Reincarnation, but it's never been something people really want to chance in the campaigns I've been a part of, so I didn't really worry about it...and likely won't, in all honesty, until it comes up.So does anyone have any opinions on accurate point buy costs?Say, 32 point buy, would you take an Aasimar for 4 points rather than +1ECL? Would that change a lot if it were 25 point buy? Or 42?Thanks again.Edit:Conaill:Whoah, 15 points for +1 ECL? That's way out of line with what I was coming up with, and I don't think there's any way that a player would take that, even at a really high point buy level, like 42 or 45.I'm not sure what this indicates...maybe that ECL is simply too gross an instrument to really adjust for racial differences, or that trying to go with point cost instead of ECL is just a bad idea.I'd be really interested to see how that cost was figured up.</blockquote>

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