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<blockquote data-quote="Alchemist" data-source="post: 404768" data-attributes="member: 6594">I think the best bet is to concentrate on the low end of the ECL's, like +1/+2.&nbsp; Much beyond that and we're looking at some wild instability since they're mostly eyeballed to begin with and don't seem to follow many rules that can be compensated for mathematically.I like the idea of docking some ability points, but I think that might only work well for the 0-1 range of ECL's, like the Genasi.I wonder if just &quot;fudging&quot; the ECL rules a bit would work out.&nbsp; Make them advance as though they are 1-2 levels higher than the other characters, like in standard ECL.&nbsp; But don't apply the actual &quot;level&quot; to the character.&nbsp; So if you're an Aasimar Paladin, you need 3,000 xp to hit 2nd level.&nbsp; You're going to spend a long time at 1st level, and you're going to spend your life a level behind your friends.That solution isn't going to resolve the variations in racial power more sharply, but it would encourage non-standard spellcasters.Perhaps a combination.&nbsp; A slight hit on points in the point buy, and perhaps a variable -x% to experience points gained.&nbsp; You advance slower than your friends which will compensate for your power.&nbsp; But you don't necessarily advance slower in lockstep with them.Just throwing out some ideas for consideration/trashing/deification/whatever. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alchemist, post: 404768, member: 6594"] I think the best bet is to concentrate on the low end of the ECL's, like +1/+2. Much beyond that and we're looking at some wild instability since they're mostly eyeballed to begin with and don't seem to follow many rules that can be compensated for mathematically. I like the idea of docking some ability points, but I think that might only work well for the 0-1 range of ECL's, like the Genasi. I wonder if just "fudging" the ECL rules a bit would work out. Make them advance as though they are 1-2 levels higher than the other characters, like in standard ECL. But don't apply the actual "level" to the character. So if you're an Aasimar Paladin, you need 3,000 xp to hit 2nd level. You're going to spend a long time at 1st level, and you're going to spend your life a level behind your friends. That solution isn't going to resolve the variations in racial power more sharply, but it would encourage non-standard spellcasters. Perhaps a combination. A slight hit on points in the point buy, and perhaps a variable -x% to experience points gained. You advance slower than your friends which will compensate for your power. But you don't necessarily advance slower in lockstep with them. Just throwing out some ideas for consideration/trashing/deification/whatever. :) [/QUOTE]

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